XPost: phl.media, phl.housing, ny.general   
   XPost: nj.general   
   From: ChinaOwnsAmerica@dimwit.net   
      
   "mcs"  wrote in message   
   news:1nbXa.5368$mZ6.1457@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...   
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   > > Wait a minute, want to explain how people in Philadelphia are supposed   
   to   
   > > mandate that coal burning plants and coal production stop to prevent   
   high   
   > > levels of particulate matter?  Let's see can Philly sue in Pennsylvania   
   > > courts or federal court to stop what you're complaining about?  Can it   
   > > appeal to the EPA for help and would such an appeal be of any use?   
   > > Incidentally if Philly has high particulate levels, it's likely that   
   most   
   > > of the rest of the Delaware Valley has about the same levels minus of   
   > > course those directly attributable to Philadelphia sources.   
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   > Can they sue in court ? I think some groups have tried. It will certainly   
   be   
   > interesting to see if they can prove a cause and effect and then sue the   
   > govt for mandating this .or allowing this considering the risks that were   
   > present at the time.However it would help if more people were aware of   
   these   
   > issues and the press could do a better job.   
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   > > Philadelphia's crime rate had been dropping, and I suspect that it's   
   still   
   > > not out of line with what is occurring nation wide as the economy   
   stutters   
   > > on and folks let out of prison get released with no skills except those   
   > > associated with crime.  Crime rates usually drop because of prevention   
   or   
   > > a lessening of the opportunities for crime.  Let's see is Philadelphia's   
   > > murder rate higher than 5 years ago or 10 years ago?  Is the absolute   
   > > number of murders up compared to 5 or 10 years ago?  Philadelphia is a   
   > > city with some problems, its jobs are leaving and its schools aren't   
   good   
   > > enough to attract people to live here either.  People tend to live where   
   > > schools are good and jobs are plentiful, do you have a solution for   
   those   
   > > two problems that isn't based on sloganeering or doing the equivalent of   
   > > yelling the sky is falling?  How about figuring out a way to sue the   
   > > sources of pollution in Philadelphia that Congress won't block?   
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   > Crime can be helped by providing jobs for people who don't have them , by   
   > counting the people who gave up looking, by educating our young people on   
   > the pros and cons of dysfunctional families and functional families. We   
   need   
   > to instill in kids early on, values that will evoke healthy changes even   
   if   
   > their own families are not there for them. Acting out should never be the   
   > only alternative for millions of people.This is something that is totally   
   ,   
   > totally mind boggling. Acting out is natural progression of crime,   
   > dysfunction and air pollution. There are definitive things that one can   
   > predict given a certain set of standards.Kids coming from bad families or   
   no   
   > families or abused commit many violent crimes.Making  kids  aware how they   
   > can give themselves some resembalance of balance and care and strength in   
   a   
   > world that seems for them ,not  to care is  an option that is almost too   
   > important to ignore. .Without such a foundation ,we are prone to make no   
   > differences. Jail and rehab can do only so much and are important also.   
   > Pollution and crime and families and functional free societies are so   
   > connected with everything in our world that is right. We are so close ,   
   yet   
   > so far sometimes  ,in implementing some basic truths in this world that   
   will   
   > make a difference and stop the craziness where we are heading.   
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   I don't know why this is in a NY group, except I used to live in Philly and   
   moved back to upstate NY. Guess what? My asthma and my wife's disappeared   
   after a few years (and had improved immediately).   
      
   The air in Philly sucks. It's worse in Camden, and we were there too   
   attending school. It's also bad in the Lehigh Valley (Allentown) where we   
   lived as well. Pennsylvania is filled with petty ex factory workers who   
   think cheap government is good government and intelligence is dangerous.   
      
   Some of it may be power plants, but it's mostly the damn cars. There are a   
   few solutions. If you value your health - move.   
      
   To help the pollution you can conserve. Stop driving and walk. Cut power   
   plant pollution by cutting electricity usage (duh, electric cars are dirty).   
   Install compact fluorescents, efficient computer monitors, etc. Air dry   
   clothes. Use cold water for dish and clothes washing.  And so on.   
      
   But don't expect the average idiot to pitch in to save the earth. They'd   
   rather choke to death on their own filth first. So, realistically, if you   
   want changes, move. Then act responsibly and you'll have a short respite and   
   a wish and a hope.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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