XPost: phl.media, phl.misc, pa.politics   
   From: mcs@yahoo.nospam.net   
      
   "Jon Cornell"   
    wrote   
   in message news:6b8898f7.0310211104.6fd24874@posting.google.com...   
   > "mcs"  wrote in message   
   news:<23Ihb.1498$fv4.904@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...   
   >   
   > Whew.. before I start, let me just point out that it would be nice if   
   > you'd organize your thoughts into paragraphs.   
   >   
   > > today a yg girl going to school was raped and beat. another child beat   
   on   
   > > the way home This is so sickening , we can't protect our children. This   
   is   
   > > damn sickening and its happening more and more- children getting shot or   
   > > beat and killed .   
   >   
   > I agree.  America has a violent crime problem that's really much worse   
   > than most civilized nations.  Most sociologists agree that this is a   
   > result of our stubborn refusal to address the poverty problem.   
   >   
   > > We as a society or not offering any solutions.   
   >   
   > Again, I agree.  Few people are willing to honestly sit down and   
   > address crime at its root, instead of focusing on punishing people who   
   > have already committed crimes.   
      
   I don't think we focus on the punishment issue at all. On all the fiction   
   and non fiction tv shows and movies , we somehow are told what led to a   
   killing or violence, be it disrespect, jealousy and rage or a money issue   
   and how the crime was solved or jury trial result. I think we need more   
   punishment and not less . Like I said before more time in prison without   
   perks and no death penalty.   
      
      
   >   
   > > I say put   
   > > people away and don't kill them because thats not a deterrent. No   
   computer,   
   > > No tv and no smokes. Give them a slab for a bed and throw away the key.   
   Show   
   > > these people a hard life , a very hard life ahead of them.   
   >   
   > Well, we can do that, but then we, as taxpayers, are just paying money   
   > to have people sit on stone slabs.  And many of these people are   
   > innocent or very subjectively guilty.  There are fewer cut-and-dry   
   > cases than you think.   
   >  Many of these people are innocent?   
   Oh Jezz, then lets NOT side  on a jury system where everyone has to agree on   
   the verdict? Not 2/3 but everyone. Thats about as fair as I can imagine, so   
   if they are guilty thats enough for me. I am not for killing them , I am for   
   setting a deterrent .   
   > Most prisons today include work programs.  Even if a person isn't fit   
   > to live among society, it doesn't mean (s)he can't work.  The way our   
   > prisons work is this: if a prisoner spends 20-30 hours a week making   
   > license plates (generally not full time, since they have to be locked   
   > down and counted on a regular basis), he's then entitled to a few   
   > privileges, like more yard time, a little money on his books to buy   
   > toothpaste, etc.   
   >   
      
    Working and buying toothpaste is NOT A PERK.   
   > It's more productive, and not a complete waste of taxpayer money.  I   
   > think you'd have to be insane not to support work programs.   
            I never said I didn't.   
   > Here's the sad fact: *no* punishment is a deterrent to crime.  Over   
   > 90% of violent crimes are committed by males between the ages of 16   
   > and 23.  At this age, psychologically, males do not fear consequence.   
   > It's what enables them to be good soldiers - but also what enables   
   > them to get bitterly frustrated by poverty, and try to solve their   
   > problem by robbing a bank.   
      
        No punishment? I don't think so. Most people don't committ violent   
   crimes period. Those that do , don't do so because they are prone to be   
   fearless! Those people who had good bad or no  families and bad friends as   
   role models do .   
   > A kid with a gun isn't thinking "Okay, I'll pull the trigger.  I mean,   
   > prison isn't that bad.  It has cable TV.  If it didn't have cable TV,   
   > I'd just put this gun down and walk away."  Get real.   
      
   GET REAL , if that guy with the gun saw his peers in jail more often   
   screaming at night , without a computer or radio and tv and no way out for   
   life, they might think differently. If that kid was taught a ethics class   
   earlier in school and was taught how to empower themselves when family is   
   not around, they would think twice. Acting out and violence is a natural   
   progression to people who don't know how to channel the frustration of not   
   having the skills to compete or cope .   
      
   > > Put their   
   > > complaints on tv instead of showing their crimes. What we have to   
   witness   
   > > each night on tv is disgusting. Victims are mentioned on the news likes   
   its   
   > > a blip -next story. Its so sickening I want to puke.While their talking   
   > > about a bug , we had two stories of children beat today and I bet lots   
   of   
   > > people didn't see the stories. One girl was raped going to school and   
   one   
   > > boy beat and had his skull broke. When are freakin politiicans going to   
   get   
   > > together to do more against crime. This is so sickening   
   >   
   > Politicians don't choose what goes on the news media.  We live in a   
   > country with a free press; that press is entitled to focus its   
   > attention in any way that best sells ads.   
   >   
   > It's an imperfect system, but it's better than having the government   
   > tell them what to air.   
   >   
   > JON I couldn't disagree with your liberal crap anymore.   
      
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