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   From: jim@-nospam-orfanakos.com   
      
   Why would any state / city / county put an illegal in jail - and pay for   
   meals and housing, when they can simply turn them over to INS and get them   
   deported?  It does not make sense.  I suspect in cases of heinous crimes -   
   "justice" may be served by punishing the person who did the crime -   
   regardless of their immigration status.   
      
   Question:  Which job(s) did the illegal take?  White collar jobs?  Blue   
   collar jobs?  or the jobs that no one is willing to take?  the really crappy   
   manual labor jobs?  On the other hand - I will acknowledge that they could   
   be taking jobs for less, without paying taxes or social security, so an   
   unethical employer can make more money by hiring illegal workers.  So I   
   guess the real question is it the illegal, or the person / company who hires   
   illegal the problem?  If no one hired illegal workers - then there would be   
   no inceptive for an illegal worker to come here.  I am sure there is a   
   computer programmer out of work that could pick up a job elsewhere - out of   
   his field if he / she really wanted to...yes perhaps at less pay - and then   
   we would not need to hire illegal.   
      
   Your argument about making illegal - legal - drawing more illegal is flawed.   
   Once they are legal - they are now paying taxes, social security, etc..and   
   no longer attractive to the people hiring illegal.  Thus illegal would lose   
   their jobs, become unemployed ...  hence there is no incentive to be legal.   
      
   In Media, PA tonight - 75 people became US Citizens.  Does that mean these   
   people took away  / have been taking away 75 jobs from unemployed Americans?   
   Would you advocate that we stop all immigration to the US until we train,   
   re-tool and employ every person in the US who is out of work and wants to   
   work?  If so - at whose cost? Taxpayers?  I repeat - I am sure there is a   
   computer programmer out of work that could pick up a job elsewhere - out of   
   his field if he / she really wanted to...yes perhaps at less pay - and then   
   we would not need to hire illegal.   
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   "mcs"  wrote in message   
   news:5r3%c.4722$dC4.4086@trndny06...   
   >I saw this conference and here is some very interesting and sad data. One   
   >in   
   > ten US people now illegal or were illegal now legal. One if five in US   
   > prisons are illegals. *Their crimes were not being illegals! so in   
   > addition   
   > to be illegal. This conference which was on Cspan or another cable really   
   > opened our eyes. If for example illegals are made legal every three years,   
   > whats going to stop even more from coming here? Illegals are taking US   
   > jobs.If one in five are committing crimes and who are illegal, then the   
   > cost   
   > of illegals and crime could be in the trillions. Here again like pollution   
   > the President doesn't care what the total costs are, as long as he is   
   > elected and he is able to convince voters of almost anything he wants.   
   >   
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