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   From: mcs@yahoo.com   
      
   "Jim Orfanakos"  wrote in message   
   news:uO6dnbd48IGPW6LcRVn-ow@comcast.com...   
   > Why would any state / city / county put an illegal in jail - and pay for   
   > meals and housing, when they can simply turn them over to INS and get them   
   > deported?  It does not make sense.  I suspect in cases of heinous crimes -   
   > "justice" may be served by punishing the person who did the crime -   
   > regardless of their immigration status.   
   >   
   > Question:  Which job(s) did the illegal take?  White collar jobs?  Blue   
   > collar jobs?  or the jobs that no one is willing to take?  the really   
   crappy   
   > manual labor jobs?  On the other hand - I will acknowledge that they could   
   > be taking jobs for less, without paying taxes or social security, so an   
   > unethical employer can make more money by hiring illegal workers.  So I   
   > guess the real question is it the illegal, or the person / company who   
   hires   
   > illegal the problem?  If no one hired illegal workers - then there would   
   be   
   > no inceptive for an illegal worker to come here.  I am sure there is a   
   > computer programmer out of work that could pick up a job elsewhere - out   
   of   
   > his field if he / she really wanted to...yes perhaps at less pay - and   
   then   
   > we would not need to hire illegal.   
   >   
   > Your argument about making illegal - legal - drawing more illegal is   
   flawed.   
   > Once they are legal - they are now paying taxes, social security, etc..and   
   > no longer attractive to the people hiring illegal.  Thus illegal would   
   lose   
   > their jobs, become unemployed ...  hence there is no incentive to be   
   legal.   
   >   
   > In Media, PA tonight - 75 people became US Citizens.  Does that mean these   
   > people took away  / have been taking away 75 jobs from unemployed   
   Americans?   
   > Would you advocate that we stop all immigration to the US until we train,   
   > re-tool and employ every person in the US who is out of work and wants to   
   > work?  If so - at whose cost? Taxpayers?  I repeat - I am sure there is a   
   > computer programmer out of work that could pick up a job elsewhere - out   
   of   
   > his field if he / she really wanted to...yes perhaps at less pay - and   
   then   
   > we would not need to hire illegal.   
   > --   
   >   
   > To reply via e-mail, remove the "-nospam-" from the reply to address   
   > "mcs"  wrote in message   
   > news:5r3%c.4722$dC4.4086@trndny06...   
   > >I saw this conference and here is some very interesting and sad data. One   
   > >in   
   > > ten US people now illegal or were illegal now legal. One if five in US   
   > > prisons are illegals. *Their crimes were not being illegals! so in   
   > > addition   
   > > to be illegal. This conference which was on Cspan or another cable   
   really   
   > > opened our eyes. If for example illegals are made legal every three   
   years,   
   > > whats going to stop even more from coming here? Illegals are taking US   
   > > jobs.If one in five are committing crimes and who are illegal, then the   
   > > cost   
   > > of illegals and crime could be in the trillions. Here again like   
   pollution   
   > > the President doesn't care what the total costs are, as long as he is   
   > > elected and he is able to convince voters of almost anything he wants.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > actually when I watched the repeat , the commission said now one in ten   
   people in this country are illegal. Thats mind staggering.Who is paying for   
   their health care and food? You only had to watch this commission report to   
   see how bad illegal immigration problem is  and yes they are taking jobs and   
   the commissions  investigations and subsequent reports were extremely well   
   done and gave a good response to people suggesting they were providing   
   workers for companies who had trouble finding workers otherwise. which was   
   wrong.assumption often enough. Someone is going to have to pick up the costs   
   for their health care and food and crime> Its not that I am against sane   
   immigration but really if we have one in ten illegal, are we not asking for   
   big time trouble , not even counting terrorism?  Why was this allowed to go   
   on? Why will we look at the findings from this panel over and over again in   
   the future via tape,  after we absorb the costs from these failed policies?   
      
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