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   From: mcs@yahoo.com   
      
   increase of deniers on web   
      
      
      
   even with more links from  deniers like you who want to think that by   
   finding the one time the exact amount of illness of asthma is not linked to   
   pollution somehow suggests there is not a real cause for concern about   
   asthma and or respiratory disease from pollution , there is enough evidence   
   to show cause and affect. The problem is you can twist words and one study   
   to show no cause of concern but when everything is equal not only is there   
   cause of concern, its been proven in court. I think its much much worse then   
   what's been proven. Why after all these years they just proved it in court?   
   Its because they had so much money and power ( the oil and gas and car   
   companies lobbies) . So all these hospitals who say asthma is complex and no   
   association between pollution would rather hype meds instead ..But the   
   smartest and people affected who don't have money to promote commercials   
   with music in background,,,.know the effects between respiratory health and   
   illness and death  and Pollution... EVEN,  from a conservative supreme   
   court and state courts... they  have shown cause and affect in court   
   recently. Now if you want to believe that people in Mexico city and LA are   
   thus safe from pollution affects because someone says they don't suffer from   
   asthma as much, you probably didn't compare rates of morbidity, rates of   
   illness from all illness, you probably had people there who were too poor to   
   go for treatment or didn't distinguish between adult onset asthma and   
   regular asthma or just plain respiratory disease. The numbers can be skewed   
   but this much I assure you.life itself, the association between pollution   
   and lost respiratory illness is one of the largest association of risk of   
   lost health in the world today and those affected.   
   respiratory   
      
   Can gov and science show effects from pollution from getting so few good   
   days of air? I bet my life they can if they wanted   
   to   
   where a state and city has higher death rates and illness rates and asthma   
   rates and pumping of medications and hospitals all day and night by   
   hosptials and health care,,.. and  not a   
   lawyer in the land can't or won   
   t prove it  or damages  and why.. I know why   
      
   If you tell me a lawyer can't compare our health to others in clean air  and   
   compare our   
   death rates and output and expsense towards  of health care costs  to clean   
   air states and deduct   
   conspiracy to poison people at least and or  show harm,  and at most the   
   conspiracy to poison and keep hidden from the people  the effectsfrom   
   pollution ( car companies, diesel emission, coal production) then I say   
   something is not true or right.I remember there was a power outage and a   
   scientist sent inspectors in planes over PA and those most affected from   
   pollution ...and power plants and coal ... and showed the time the   
   production plants closed because of power outtages the air to be much much   
   cleaner,,, and this was suppose to show damages when these plants operate to   
   Congress. what happened to that study.. there could be much more studies   
   done too.   
      
      
      
      
   as you sit back and take for granted your clean air know many people don't   
   > have it. We have not had one full day of clean air ( below moderate) in   
   > over   
   > two weeks. This is the torment some have to live their lives in   
   > see what else we get with politicians who don't give a shi. about life for   
   > people who suffer   
   > Like nothing else. We consistently get air that is not good. The smartest   
   > and richest know what we don't , that the desire to live in good air is   
   > one   
   > of the most important attributes for their lives. Since we have pollution,   
   > instead of fighting for good air, and demanding restrictions on that   
   > pollution that match the intensity of pollution ,people so much don't care   
   > and politicians don't care to act. Every conceivable link could show   
   > people   
   > downwind from pollution and constant traffic like from fast food drive   
   > thrus   
   > and streets with allot of traffic and cities like ours, could show harm   
   > relative to amounts of pollution if the scientists wanted to. Why is it   
   > Philadelphians dont' care that this poison affects every part of their   
   > life   
   > and destroys competition , life production, health and families with more   
   > cancers and respiratory illness ( most in nation) and not one politician   
   > cares one iota about reducing it. This is the price we pay for high energy   
   > costs? getting poisoned, lowered values of homes, people who don't   
   > graduate   
   > more then most in the US, most asthma, most depression and most consistent   
   > days we get pollution with no good days of air...The head of a teacher   
   > organization said they don't or can't teach anyjmore they are basically   
   > baby sitters.  In addition to my family   
   > members with asthma and me with asthma, I don't ever recall in last   
   > 20years   
   > anyone from Philly winning a long distance race in Olympics or amaeteur   
   > championships . thats thousands of competitions. In fact did anyone from   
   > PHILLY win nationally in any track event?.If you dont' think this affects   
   > why we are called Filthadelphia.. think again. The damages dont' have to   
   > be   
   > fast for you to be affected. Why don't you ask your doctor on tv what   
   > pollution does to people over time. or you can look at my black air   
   > filters   
   > after 29 days.. and you tell me was it cancer that killed aunt Mary or was   
   > it consistent pollution that reaches levels that kills people here faster?   
   > Will walking for a cure ever undo harm from this pollution? Heck no. your   
   > living here your giving your family coal pollution and emission pollution   
   > like no where else in US and media and gov must have decided this is the   
   > price you pay deal with it. Who wants to give poison air to kids. Millions   
   > of people are getting clean air and living longer in other areas. Demand   
   > from your leaders to do more now or kick them off, This is the weakest   
   > link   
   > here and it affects everything about quality of life. You know how people   
   > counter this? They show me how a chart that its not the worse 24 hours a   
   > day.. , they show me how clean air in US is cleaner without addressing   
   > areas   
   > like ours that have f rated air over and over... that says we are healthy?   
   > NO WAY. We are being murdered for and from polluters and I dont' think so   
   > I   
   > know so. Pa. number2 in asthma and number 3 in co2 accumulation. We have   
   > not   
   > had a full day of clean air in over two weeks.by the way look up the   
   > correlations between moderate particulate  pollution   
   > and ill health , then know some now have to live in that everyday.. Do you   
   > see the media go over this danger? No they rather make deals with   
   > hospitals   
   > and lung centers to advertise to people who are forced to be gassed like   
      
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