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   From: mcs@yahoo.com   
      
   ----- Original Message -----   
   From: "mcs"    
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   talk.environment,sci.environment,pa.politics,alt.students,phl.politics   
   Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:35 AM   
   Subject: Is it asthma or is it respiratory illness and association with   
   pollution   
      
      
   > increase of deniers on web   
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   > even with more links from  deniers like you who want to think that by   
   > finding the one time the exact amount of illness of asthma is not linked   
   > to   
   > pollution somehow suggests there is not a real cause for concern about   
   > asthma and or respiratory disease from pollution , there is enough   
   > evidence   
   > to show cause and affect. The problem is you can twist words and one study   
   > to show no cause of concern but when everything is equal not only is there   
   > cause of concern, its been proven in court. I think its much much worse   
   > then   
   > what's been proven. Why after all these years they just proved it in   
   > court?   
   > Its because they had so much money and power ( the oil and gas and car   
   > companies lobbies) . So all these hospitals who say asthma is complex and   
   > no   
   > association between pollution would rather hype meds instead ..But the   
   > smartest and people affected who don't have money to promote commercials   
   > with music in background,,,.know the effects between respiratory health   
   > and   
   > illness and death  and Pollution... EVEN,  from a conservative supreme   
   > court and state courts... they  have shown cause and affect in court   
   > recently. Now if you want to believe that people in Mexico city and LA are   
   > thus safe from pollution affects because someone says they don't suffer   
   > from   
   > asthma as much, you probably didn't compare rates of morbidity, rates of   
   > illness from all illness, you probably had people there who were too poor   
   > to   
   > go for treatment or didn't distinguish between adult onset asthma and   
   > regular asthma or just plain respiratory disease. The numbers can be   
   > skewed   
   > but this much I assure you.life itself, the association between pollution   
   > and lost respiratory illness is one of the largest association of risk of   
   > lost health in the world today and those affected.   
   > respiratory   
   > Ps I see allot of this nonsense on the net,, the people who complain about   
   pollution   are really suffering from something else and   
   >need  worms and anti bacteria meds for  asthma (lol)  from bacteria and   
   >cockroachs  cause it not pollution related... BS its not complex.. it could   
   >be explained if they wanted to...bs... The   
   > people who know and seek comparisons can easily show cause and affect   
   > My city is perfect example. day after day of particulate pollution above   
   > the   
   > good zone. shows the most asthma and respiratory effects in the nation, If   
   > you take the same componets of air pollution and increased co2 in this   
   > city and give it to   
   > another population you will see same effects. What I have learned is   
   > people   
   > post things to make a profit.. not that which is correct or objective.   
   > When   
   > I see comparisons of health between people who live in most consistent   
   > days   
   > of pollution like Philly and on a crowded street with much emission and   
   > from pollution from coal out west... and you show me conclusively they   
   > don't   
   > get asthma more compared to people who live in clean air , then I will   
   > believe , Untill those studies are done ( HOW LONG YOU WANT to WAIT)  in   
   > the US ( not mexico) I think its   
   > best to look at links that show and tell of damage from pollution : Tens   
   > of   
   > thousands of people are suppose to die from its affects and another tens   
   > of thousands are going to get sick.. The semantics of   
   > trying to disapprove the association with asthma and pollution is a   
   > perfect   
   > example of lies and decpetions and proving the one time people don't die   
   > or get asthma in certain polluted conditions  to   
   > show the whole concept is wrong is deception. The concept is right,.the   
   > tens of thousands   
   > of people who migrate to unpolluted cities are saving their familes   
   > life...   
   > not maybe definitely...and when they want to make comparisons. let them   
   > come to me. I won't differeniate between childhood and adult onset asthma   
   > and I might see damages from tens of thosands peopel dying ifrom pollution   
   > the same cause of concern as whether its the exact cause of asthma in each   
   > and every city based on standardized emission and pollution levels.To me   
   > you have to be out of your mind to say pollution doesn't cause asthma but   
   > it might cause another respiratory disease or  can radically make it worse   
   > .. thats like trying to disaprove asthma and pollution by using smoke and   
   > mirrors.   
      
      
   > Can gov and science show effects from pollution from getting so few good   
   > days of air? I bet my life they can if they wanted   
   > to   
   > where a state and city has higher death rates and illness rates and asthma   
   > rates and pumping of medications and hospitals all day and night by   
   > hosptials and health care,,.. and  not a   
   > lawyer in the land can't or won   
   > t prove it  or damages  and why.. I know why   
   >   
   > If you tell me a lawyer can't compare our health to others in clean air   
   > and   
   > compare our   
   > death rates and output and expsense towards  of health care costs  to   
   > clean   
   > air states and deduct   
   > conspiracy to poison people at least and or  show harm,  and at most the   
   > conspiracy to poison and keep hidden from the people  the effectsfrom   
   > pollution ( car companies, diesel emission, coal production) then I say   
   > something is not true or right.I remember there was a power outage and a   
   > scientist sent inspectors in planes over PA and those most affected from   
   > pollution ...and power plants and coal ... and showed the time the   
   > production plants closed because of power outtages the air to be much much   
   > cleaner,,, and this was suppose to show damages when these plants operate   
   > to   
   > Congress. what happened to that study.. there could be much more studies   
   > done too.   
   >   
   >   
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   >   
   > as you sit back and take for granted your clean air know many people don't   
   >> have it. We have not had one full day of clean air ( below moderate) in   
   >> over   
   >> two weeks. This is the torment some have to live their lives in   
   >> see what else we get with politicians who don't give a shi. about life   
   >> for   
   >> people who suffer   
   >> Like nothing else. We consistently get air that is not good. The smartest   
   >> and richest know what we don't , that the desire to live in good air is   
   >> one   
   >> of the most important attributes for their lives. Since we have   
   >> pollution,   
   >> instead of fighting for good air, and demanding restrictions on that   
   >> pollution that match the intensity of pollution ,people so much don't   
   >> care   
   >> and politicians don't care to act. Every conceivable link could show   
   >> people   
      
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