XPost: phl.media, pa.politics   
   From: mcsnospam@yahoo.com   
      
   You said, It's ludicrous to think that time spent in prison under horrible   
   conditions will lessen the crime rate, or indeed do anything for the   
   society.   
   I totally disagree with you.. First off I am talking the consequences of a   
   murder or a life sentence which in our society should be life . They want to   
   go to school fine. They want to show they can become PHd candidates, fine   
   maybe we can make some exceptions , but the majority of people who kill   
   should not get any perks. You think its horrible conditions, but thats the   
   point in having a deterrent . The point is we need to go out big time to   
   stop this non stop threat to human life that makes us look like hypocrites   
   to other nations and rightly so and forces families to feel the pain of a   
   loss of loved one over and over. They don't get a voice . They don't get to   
   go to school. Its time we start making jail a real bad ass place to be.. The   
   belief criminals  have that they can get away with murder or that they might   
   die by execution and won't serve a long prison is not exactly cutting down   
   on the violence. The belief that some criminals end up teaching other   
   criminals the ropes or working out in gyms listening to raido has got to   
   end. Truly its our job to make jail such a deterrent that people actually   
   talk about how horrible it is. Man wouldn't that be something! I am not for   
   caring how bad it is because until there are no perks , we can't judge the   
   reaction to crime statistics without that bare walls policy taking effect so   
   how can you conclude something like that wouldn't make an impact if that   
   didn't happen yet.? Again I am talking this approach only for people   
   convicted of very violent crime sentenced to life. Its totally amazing how   
   people care about criminals and not say a word about the defenseless people   
   murdered everyday, totally mind boggling.   
      
      
   "Art Clemons"  wrote in message   
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   > mcs wrote:   
   >   
   > > Deterrent, emphasis on punishment , not glorifying violence. Did you   
   > > see the name of the top five movies in the country are ? . Look it up   
   > > . its a very sad commentary on our nation. More cameras and less perks   
   > > in jail as in NONE. thats what I am for.   
   >   
   > It's ludicrous to think that time spent in prison under horrible   
   > conditions will lessen the crime rate, or indeed do anything for the   
   > society.  Funny thing but a few decades ago, the folks least likely to   
   > be recidivists were the folks who completed college while in prison and   
   > found jobs related to their education that some of the states paid for.   
   > More prisons with harsher conditions haven't done much for the   
   > recidivism rate, and some of the folks who spent lots of time in prison   
   > are about to get out after having served all or most of their   
   > sentences.  If they've served the whole thing, society has no supposed   
   > control over them, and they don't have any more job skills or social   
   > skills than when they went it.  Excuse my error, I forgot, they may   
   > have more skills in committing crimes, since prisons have become a   
   > major crime school in some states.   
   >   
   > > About pollution, I never said the Philly area was alone in high   
   > > pollution . All around philly its pretty bad also.   
   >   
   > You implied that Philly could do something about the pollution by   
   > itself.  Much of the pollution that Philadelphia gets comes from   
   > outside the metro area and those areas have no incentive under the   
   > present federal setup to protect Philadelphians.   
      
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