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   From: mcsnospam@yahoo.com   
      
   I just disagree allot . We just don't emphasize the punishment angle . The   
   key to keeping crime down is not having 20 programs on tv and movies   
   glorifying what has happened. Like there is some logical conclusion to a   
   worn out relationship? I don't think SO!!! TV and Movies are outrageous for   
   projecting murders as somehow a riddle committed by impassioned people. Its   
   more quite simple: Murder is simply a reaction to what is going on around   
   us. If all we see is violence and not the punishment we are going to see   
   murder as an option. If people think Like Art we will have the status quo at   
   least. Art , I got news for you, YOUR GOD one day will ask, why you didn   
   't put as much emphasis on the victims who tried to do the right thing ,   
   then on people who did the wrong thing. Yes emphasize proper families, yes   
   have ethic courses and yes try to stop the progression by ID ing kids at   
   risk but NO , never coddle murderes who chose not to do the right thing. Its   
   up to society , a sane society to DO SOMETHING to stop the slaugher of kids   
   that is going on , Its dam outrageous that they cant' seem to put more   
   deterrent into the system..Todays three murders on top of more murders and   
   all STREET does is ignore it. All politiicans do it ignore it. It makes me   
   sick to live in this world sometimes   
   "Art Clemons"  wrote in message   
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   > mcs wrote:   
   >   
   > > You said, It's ludicrous to think that time spent in prison under   
   > > horrible conditions will lessen the crime rate, or indeed do anything   
   > > for the society.   
   > > I totally disagree with you.. First off I am talking the consequences   
   > > of a murder or a life sentence which in our society should be life .   
   > > They want to go to school fine. They want to show they can become PHd   
   > > candidates, fine maybe we can make some exceptions , but the majority   
   > > of people who kill should not get any perks. You think its horrible   
   > > conditions, but thats the point in having a deterrent   
   >   
   > This is one of those topics that drives me crazy.  First, since you   
   > pointed to other developed nations previously, why don't you research   
   > the length of time that people get for comparable crimes in said   
   > countries.  Funny thing but as I recall, the US comes out with the   
   > longest prison sentences.  Prison as a deterrent doesn't work, the real   
   > trick is getting offenders not to offend, and that involves   
   > rehabiliation rather than punishment.  All of the evidence indicates   
   > that prevention works a whole lot better than capture, conviction and   
   > spending time in prison.   
   >   
   > 2nd, until relatively recently, most folks convicted of homicide were   
   > the prisoners least likely to re-offend upon release all other factors   
   > being constant.   
   >   
   > 3rd, most people who commit a homicide will be released eventually   
   > whether or not you like it, since the set prison terms (the longest in   
   > the world) eventually end.  You have to keep in mind that lots of   
   > homicides involve long term relationships gone bad tragically.  If the   
   > felon convicted of murder is a danger to society, there is still no   
   > reason to make life for that individual worse intentionally.  Also   
   > prisons have become a lot more dangerous recently, in part because   
   > prisoners were better behaved to keep access to things like TV, weight   
   > rooms, libraries, and even education.  With no carrot to offer, the   
   > stick doesn't drive mules or prisoners very well.   
      
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