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   From: mcs@nospam.yahoo.com   
      
   excuse me , I disagree. If your argument held true, there would be no   
   punishment.I never said punishment , in of itself would stop crime. I said   
   in combination with more cameras (proven!) with more ethic course taught   
   earlier, with better families , with trying to intercede somehow by getting   
   to children at risk and telling them honestly what might happen and how to   
   increase their confidence (not sure how ), but punishment should also be   
   part of the equation. If after all the previous suggestions, someone still   
   chooses crime, there is a place called jail where you will rot away slowly   
   with no modern day perks. Let see that on tv. Lets see if crime wouldn't go   
   down , if a sane society didn't sensationalize crime in drama , without   
   showing how hard it is in jail with no perks every day for years also. In   
   life everything is connected and sorry I didn't say torture by cutting off   
   hands, I said put them in jail and show what a deterrent is really like   
   without computers and tv and smokes and contraband and then lets see if   
   punishment and the whole enchilada  (early education) didn't matter.   
    Incidentally you suggested there is no correlation between rigid punishment   
   and decline of crime. In many societies in the Orient and Islamic cultures   
   with very harsh punishment there is much less crime . So it all depends   
   which study you want to look at.Now whether this is replaced by repression   
   and terrorism , that's another story but  we desperately need MORE SANE   
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   "Anonymous"  wrote in message   
   news:2UFF7RVO37913.1643518519@anonymous...   
   > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, "mcs"  wrote:   
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   > >I just disagree allot . We just don't emphasize the punishment angle .   
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   > You appear to have no grasp of reality, nor history. Examine any period of   
   > time in any society where criminals were dealt with in horrific ways and   
   > you'll be staring directly at one of the most bloody, crime riddled eras   
   of   
   > that civilization. Take for example medieval Europe, where you could loose   
   > a hand for stealing a loaf of bread. More bread was stolen then than now.   
   > Why? Because crime levels rise and fall on factors other than punishment.   
   > This has been time tested and proven since history has been recorded, yet   
   > many people still seem to be unable to grasp the simple, logical truth.   
   And   
   > THAT, my friend is one of the problems of modern society that causes crime   
   > rates to rise.   
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   > You are part of the problem, not the solution. Sorry.   
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   > Put them in jail, no perks, for life, No computers no tv , no smokes and   
   no contraband, and slab for  a bed and then we might not let them die early   
   from the death penalty and lets see how that plays out!   
      
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