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   Hello MCS:   
      
   Do you believe the problems you outline are just in Philly?   
      
   Your comment:  "don't remember in the past the need to be a millionaire to   
   get your   
   message out or win an election" is a curious one.   
      
   May I ask at what stage didn't one need money (or some equivalent) to get   
   elected?   
      
   Regards,   
      
   Mark J Smolkowicz   
   Pennsylvania Consultants   
      
      
   "mcs"  wrote in message   
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   > don't remember in the past the need to be a millionaire to get your   
   > message out or win an election. Now most political bosses will laugh at   
   you   
   > if you suggest you have an idea to work for working class, unless you also   
   > have money to pay the special interests ...I suppose.As for unions, I have   
   > not allot of positive vibrations.In the past, people ran on ideas, with   
   less   
   > media diversity, they were able to get their message across.Now   
   > people run for sound bites and the ability to market themselves   
   effectively   
   > in different media. I think their job is to sell  people they are   
   convincing   
   > to different sectors as oppossed to try and explain how and why things   
   need   
   > to be done .TV News media still controls local news ,   
   > with hip hip hooray cheap journalism and underscoring crime, unemployment   
   > drug useage and pollution. I never remembered Philly being so depressing.   
   >   I get such a negative vibration about Philly now.   
      
      
   > "Art Clemons"  wrote in message   
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   > > MCS:   
   > > > Ist maybe just another way of doing or saying the same thing. If your   
   > > > rich only, you have a chance to succeed. Call it politically incorrect   
   to   
   > > > stereotype someone as a political hack but in fact the bosses work for   
   > > > same unions, the same power brokers like oil, the same special   
   interestes .   
   > > > only this time the power base is even stronger as the rich keep   
   getting   
   > > > greater percent of nations wealth compared to the people.The political   
   > > > process has to change , or we are doomed. The people on top can't keep   
   > > > getting a greater share of the nations wealth or it will be impossible   
   > > > to foster any kind of democratic changes.   
      
      
   > > One of the problems in general is that you want to return to some   
   > > idealized time that never really existed.  Before unions were strong,   
   > > there were still political bosses and interest groups.  Even now for   
   > > example we have suburban politicians in state legislatures who play off   
   > > urban and rural politicians against each other.  We also have lobbyists   
   > > in Harrisburg, Trenton and Dover with too much influence over   
   > > legislation that affects their clients.  Your statement also implies the   
   > > existence of a class of people with control over political parties and   
   > > those who are elected.  May I suggest also that unions generally are   
   > > losing out except in local elections on any size larger than a county if   
   > > just because PACs and lobbyists have more to offer suburban legislators,   
   > > and statewide candidates.   
   > >   
   > > You also seem to have missed my point, namely that the times you're   
   > > pointing to didn't have good running and honest government, it's just   
   > > that the spoils system allowed more rewards for those who voted for the   
   > > winning side.   
      
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