XPost: az.general   
   From: heaven@dead.net   
      
   On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:09:28 -0700, Michelle Steiner   
    wrote:   
      
   >In article <10ksi414bboe3jic8jb0s08hphra38ge7h@4ax.com>,   
   > God's Debris  wrote:   
   >   
   >> >A 12 MPH light rail car can carry how many people?  Say, for the   
   >> >sake of discussion, 50 people.  So it can carry 50 people 12 miles   
   >> >in an hour.   
   >> >   
   >> >How many people can one bicycle carry 12 miles in an hour?   
   >>   
   >> WOW 50 people 12 whole miles.   
   >   
   >As I said, 50 people for the sake of discussion; I don't know how many   
   >people can actually fit into a car.  And I used 12 miles because Seth   
   >claimed that the average speed of light rail is 12 MPH; I was merely   
   >trying to simplify the math.   
   >   
   >> For far less cost you could put the same 50 people on a bus.  You   
   >> could even send them all in Taxis for less money.   
   >   
   >You sure about the cost?  What about the pollution?   
      
   The cost has been calculated out several times and comes to something   
   on the order of $40 per person per trip. Of course, that "person"   
   isn't paying it out of their own pocket, a big chunk is paid for from   
   the taxes collected on farmers in Iowa, and auto workers in Flint, and   
   closer to home, retiree's in Sun Lakes who will never ride on it.  As   
   to pollution, buried in the environmental report for it, and I do mean   
   buried, is the answer,... building light rail adds slightly to the   
   overall pollution level in the state.   
      
   I will ask you the same challenge I ask all supporters, show me   
   anyplace in the US where "transit" has solved their congestion   
   problem.  Is Manhattan now uncongested and a pleasure to drive in? How   
   about Portland, SF, DC and on and on.  All LR does is perpetuate the   
   further densification of cities so the people who are already   
   millionaires making money off the existing density can make even more   
   money of even greater density.  And fools, I hate to say this, like   
   you, willingly pay your tax money to fund their scheme.   
      
   Just as an example, I've lost track of how many people who will never   
   use LR EXCEPT for going to a couple sports events during the year,   
   support it so they can save 45 minutes each of the three times they   
   go.  The fact that it's costing them thru the nose is lost on them.   
      
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