XPost: az.general, az.politics   
   From: lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com   
      
   "mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message   
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   > Phxbrd wrote:   
   >> "mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message   
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   >>> Phxbrd wrote:   
   >>>>> Yeah, but you're nuts.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What matters isn't what percentage you pay, it's how much you have   
   >>>>> left over after you pay. The pain burden needs to be equitable, not   
   >>>>> the actual tax burden. The top 10 percenters have PLENTY left over   
   >>>>> even if that pay up to 40% of their adjusted gross. That's not true   
   >>>>> for the other 90 percenters.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Oh, those "loopholes" and deductions you complain about? They are a   
   >>>>> very effective tool of the government's to influence the economy. Like   
   >>>>> for example helping a new industry get established by offering people   
   >>>>> a tax credit for a portion of what they spend on it. Like for solar   
   >>>>> energy for example.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But you claim to be a Libertarian, so we understand. You're just nuts,   
   >>>>> that's all.   
   >>>> "Flat tax" seems to involve a complexity that your so-called brain   
   >>>> can't encompass.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I'll try to keep this as simple as I possibly can(dumb it down):  A   
   >>>> simple flat tax might prove to be as low as, oh, let's say 5%.  With me   
   >>>> so far? (That's 1% times 5).   
   >>>   
   >>> The legislature was proposing less than 3%. Just enough to keep the   
   >>> jails open and the cops on the road.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>  In practice, someone earning 100K per year would pay $5,000.00 in flat   
   >>>> tax.  That leaves them the complement of $95,000.00 untaxed.  Get it?   
   >>>> Now let's consider someone as poor-ass as you.  If you somehow managed   
   >>>> to have gross earning of a whole 10K all by yourself, you'd pay a   
   >>>> measly $500.00.  See how that works?  Pay attention now as I sum this   
   >>>> up for you:  Each of you will have paid the same percentage of your   
   >>>> income! Isn't that amazing?  See how simple and equitable a flat tax   
   >>>> could be?   
   >>>   
   >>> Simple? Yes. Even you could figure your own tax. Whether or not you   
   >>> could address the envelope properly to get it to the DOR is another   
   >>> matter.   
   >>>   
   >>> The question is, will that $500.00 be missed more of less than the   
   >>> $5000.00 your upper middle class tax payer had to cough up? Will that   
   >>> $1,000,000.00 paid up by the wealthy developer in Paradise Valley be   
   >>> missed as much as the $500.00 will be? After all, the wealthy developer   
   >>> has $19,000,000 more with which to salve his wounds. The guy that paid   
   >>> $500.00 just has $9,500. That's not enough to live on properly. That   
   >>> $500.00 represents 2 months worth of beans and rice.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   (A   
   >>>> sliding scale of tax liability is built right in!)   
   >>>   
   >>> But it is not proportionate to the "value" of the taxes paid by each   
   >>> group. What has to be equitable isn't the tax amount paid, nor even the   
   >>> tax percentage but the tax "pain".   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Now say this back to me to prove you understood the simple concept, but   
   >>>> if you can't, I'll understand...   
   >>>   
   >>> No one expects you to understand the progressive income tax theory.   
   >>> You're a Libertarian after all.   
   >>   
   >> I give up.  Your bumbling stupidity is too profound.  I don't know how   
   >> you find your way out of bed in the morning.   
   >>   
   >> Ask the first person you see to explain the simple concept of "A sliding   
   >> scale of tax liability is built right in!".   
   >   
   >   
   > Ask the next billionaire you happen to meet if $500.00 is too much to pay   
   > for a good lunch.   
   >   
      
   Point?   
      
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