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   Phxbrd wrote:   
   > "mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message   
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   >> Phxbrd wrote:   
   >>> "mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message   
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   >>>> Phxbrd wrote:   
   >>>>>> Yeah, but you're nuts.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> What matters isn't what percentage you pay, it's how much you have   
   >>>>>> left over after you pay. The pain burden needs to be equitable, not   
   >>>>>> the actual tax burden. The top 10 percenters have PLENTY left over   
   >>>>>> even if that pay up to 40% of their adjusted gross. That's not true   
   >>>>>> for the other 90 percenters.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Oh, those "loopholes" and deductions you complain about? They are a   
   >>>>>> very effective tool of the government's to influence the economy. Like   
   >>>>>> for example helping a new industry get established by offering people   
   >>>>>> a tax credit for a portion of what they spend on it. Like for solar   
   >>>>>> energy for example.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But you claim to be a Libertarian, so we understand. You're just nuts,   
   >>>>>> that's all.   
   >>>>> "Flat tax" seems to involve a complexity that your so-called brain   
   >>>>> can't encompass.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I'll try to keep this as simple as I possibly can(dumb it down):  A   
   >>>>> simple flat tax might prove to be as low as, oh, let's say 5%.  With me   
   >>>>> so far? (That's 1% times 5).   
   >>>> The legislature was proposing less than 3%. Just enough to keep the   
   >>>> jails open and the cops on the road.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>  In practice, someone earning 100K per year would pay $5,000.00 in flat   
   >>>>> tax.  That leaves them the complement of $95,000.00 untaxed.  Get it?   
   >>>>> Now let's consider someone as poor-ass as you.  If you somehow managed   
   >>>>> to have gross earning of a whole 10K all by yourself, you'd pay a   
   >>>>> measly $500.00.  See how that works?  Pay attention now as I sum this   
   >>>>> up for you:  Each of you will have paid the same percentage of your   
   >>>>> income! Isn't that amazing?  See how simple and equitable a flat tax   
   >>>>> could be?   
   >>>> Simple? Yes. Even you could figure your own tax. Whether or not you   
   >>>> could address the envelope properly to get it to the DOR is another   
   >>>> matter.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The question is, will that $500.00 be missed more of less than the   
   >>>> $5000.00 your upper middle class tax payer had to cough up? Will that   
   >>>> $1,000,000.00 paid up by the wealthy developer in Paradise Valley be   
   >>>> missed as much as the $500.00 will be? After all, the wealthy developer   
   >>>> has $19,000,000 more with which to salve his wounds. The guy that paid   
   >>>> $500.00 just has $9,500. That's not enough to live on properly. That   
   >>>> $500.00 represents 2 months worth of beans and rice.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   (A   
   >>>>> sliding scale of tax liability is built right in!)   
   >>>> But it is not proportionate to the "value" of the taxes paid by each   
   >>>> group. What has to be equitable isn't the tax amount paid, nor even the   
   >>>> tax percentage but the tax "pain".   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Now say this back to me to prove you understood the simple concept, but   
   >>>>> if you can't, I'll understand...   
   >>>> No one expects you to understand the progressive income tax theory.   
   >>>> You're a Libertarian after all.   
   >>> I give up.  Your bumbling stupidity is too profound.  I don't know how   
   >>> you find your way out of bed in the morning.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ask the first person you see to explain the simple concept of "A sliding   
   >>> scale of tax liability is built right in!".   
   >>   
   >> Ask the next billionaire you happen to meet if $500.00 is too much to pay   
   >> for a good lunch.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Point?   
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