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"Robert Heller"  wrote in message
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> At Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:39:01 -0400 Sancho Panza 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 4/23/2014 12:00 AM, Glen Labah wrote:
>> > In article ,
>> >   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 22-Apr-14 08:58, conklin wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> How nice 2% of stops might have something near them.  Now they need,
>> >>> like the RRs, a $60 million station like Raleigh is planning at
>> >>> public expense for a couple hundred passengers a day.
>> >>
>> >> If the local taxpayers want to build some extravagant monument to
>> >> wasteful spending, as in Raleigh, that is their choice, but it's not
>> >> _necessary_, nor should Amtrak be saddled with the cost of such
>> >> wastefulness.
>> >
>> >
>> > It's probably best to read about this supposed "extravagant monument"
>> > before judging what George has written.
>> >
>> > According to their web site:
>> > http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/raleighunionstation/
>> > the existing station is frequently overcrowded and has platforms that
>> > are too short to serve longer trains.
>>
>> Here are their figures:
>>
>> "Project Overview and Purpose
>>      Currently four daily round trip passenger trains serve the Raleigh
>> Amtrak Station: New York to Charlotte Carolinian, Raleigh to Charlotte
>> Piedmont (2), and the New York to Miami Silver Star. Two additional
>> Raleigh to Charlotte Piedmont round trips are planned in the near future
>> to meet increasing service demands.
>>      The Raleigh Amtrak Station served 164,000 passengers in 2012,
>> making it one of the busiest Amtrak stations in the Southeastern U.S. .
>> . .
>>      The two waiting rooms in the existing Raleigh Amtrak Station
>> provide only 1,800 square feet of passenger waiting space, often
>> requiring passengers to wait outside."
>>
>> That is 450 passengers a day, a sum that is then split among eight train
>> departures. If that is called overcrowding, they must have never seen
>> any of the busier platforms in the NJ Transit or L.I.R.R. systems. And
>> NJ Transit closes waiting rooms and bathrooms at many stations for long
>> periods, anyway.
>
> Commuter rail passengers don't usually have much luggage and rarely wait
> very
> long for a train. Also they are not people who are arriving at a
> 'unfamilure'
> city after sitting on a train for hours. Most of the people at NJ Transit
> or
> L.I.R.R. stations are business people or students or other people who make
> the
> trip (almost) every day who arrive less than 10-15 minutes before the
> train
> departs and are only carrying minimual 'luggage' (eg a briefcase or
> bookbag).
> When they detrain, they know where they are going (to their office, class,
> home, etc.).  That is, they are people who are doing more *moving* and
> less
> *waiting*, than the people at a LD train station, like the one at Raleigh.
>
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