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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/01/2025 21:41, Chris Green wrote:
> > The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:
> >>> Marco Moock wrote:
> >>>> On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
> >>>>> new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
> >>>>> updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.
> >>>>
> >>>> apt list installed 'linux-image*'
> >>>>
> >>> That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
> >>> not what's actually installed.
> >>>
> >>> There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching
> >>> 'linux-image':-
> >>>
> >>> chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
> >>> chris@homepi$
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the
> >>> raspberrypi-kernel package.
> >>>
> >>> The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
> >>> raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
> >>> package installed. :-
> >>>
> >>> root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
> >>> raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
> >>> root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
> >>> root@newodinpi:~#
> >>>
> >>> Something is funny here!
> >>>
> >> Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
> >> I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.
> >>
> >> Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
> >> normal upgrades
> >>
> > I tried that, no change, still 6.1 kernel:-
> >
> > root@homepi# uname -a
> > Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST
2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux
> > root@homepi# apt update
> > Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security
InRelease [48.0 kB]
> > Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
> > Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
> > Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
> > Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
> > Fetched 63.6 kB in 2s (38.1 kB/s)
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > Reading state information... Done
> > All packages are up to date.
> > root@homepi# apt dist-upgrade
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Calculating upgrade... Done
> > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > root@homepi#
> >
> >
> Odd. apt and apt-get may have different rules
>
> "apt-get upgrade only upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities. It does
> not install new Linux kernel of the OS.
>
> "apt upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs new
> Linux kernel of the OS. However, it never removes old packages.
>
> "apt full-upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs
> new Linux kernel of the OS. It also removes old packages if needed for
> the upgrade."
>
> It looks to me apt full-upgrade does the same thing as apt-get
> dist-upgrade. That is to say the full-upgrade will check for and install
> a new kernel if available and removes old packages if the removal is
> necessary for the upgrade."
>
> I don't think apt dist-upgrade is actually a valid command.
>
> "apt full-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade are the same command. But
> again apt is the newer command."
>
> Anyway see if any of that works., I am pretty sure it did for me
>
root@homepi# apt-get update
Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease [55.4 kB]
Get:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security
InRelease [48.0 kB]
Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
Fetched 119 kB in 2s (71.8 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
root@homepi# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@homepi# apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security
InRelease
Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
Fetched 15.7 kB in 2s (9,499 B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
root@homepi# apt full-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@homepi# uname -a
Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023
aarch64 GNU/Linux
root@homepi#
They both look the same to me, neither of them gets the latest kernel.
I think running 'rpi-update' may update the kernel but it shouldn't be
necessary to do that.
--
Chris Green
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