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On 11/12/2025 20:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-12-11 19:28, John R Walliker wrote:
>> On 11/12/2025 18:16, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> On 2025-12-11, Daniel James wrote:
>>>> On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone
>>>>> walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern
>>>>> commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy.
>>>>
>>>> Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris?
>>>>
>>>> ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter.
>>>
>>> I seem to remember hearing that there was an English building code that
>>> REQUIRED outside pipes for water (and sewage?) so that they could be
>>> easily thawed with a blowtorch when they froze in the winter?
>>
>> No, it was only done to save money.
>
> It seems amazing to me doing that in Britain, were pipes can freeze. Now
> I understand the description of an hotel (Devon) in a novel I'm reading
> (Ruth Rendell, The secret house of death).
>
I think the issue is that pre war, many many houses had no water, no
inside toilet, no heating beyond a coal fire no electricity and so on.
Hence they were upgraded to a water tank in the roof and some form of
sporadic mains water supply, fed via something coming out of the ground
and into the house.
Drainage was often external - room size was small and the pipes were
just routed outside for ease of installation. And indeed access for
clearing blockages.
Retrofitting modern infrastructure to old houses is massively expensive.
--
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"
Margaret Thatcher
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