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From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net
"Peter Fairbrother" wrote in message
news:vdfab9$2divu$1@dont-email.me...
> On 30/09/2024 20:54, Grimble Crumble wrote:
>
>> "As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
>> the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
>> Second Amendment right.
>
> Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
> established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Based on what facts?
> Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
> militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping arms
> for self-defense.
Question: Until you can defend yourself, how can you defend others?
Further, I'm unaware any any requirement that the right to keep or bear arms
ONLY extends to a militia.
However, let's take some samples and see who the militia are.
Virginia:
Article 1. Classification of Militia.
§ 44-1. Composition of militia.
The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied
residents of the Commonwealth who are citizens of the United States and all
other able-bodied persons resident in the Commonwealth who have declared
their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least 16
years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of
age. The militia shall be divided into three classes: the National Guard,
which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard; the
Virginia Defense Force; and the unorganized militia.
Ohio:
Section 5923.01 | State militia membership - limitation of troops.
(D) The unorganized militia consists of all citizens of the state to whom
all of the following apply:
(1) They are not members of the Ohio organized militia ;
(2) They are more than seventeen years of age and not more than sixty-seven
years of age;
(3) They are not exempt from service under section 5923.02 of the Revised
Code.
New York:
New York Consolidated Laws, Military Law - MIL § 2. Militia of the state;
division and composition
2. The unorganized militia shall consist of all able-bodied male residents
of the state between the ages of seventeen and forty-five who are not
serving in any force of the organized militia or who are not on the state
reserve list or the state retired list and who are or who have declared
their intention to become citizens of the United States, subject, however,
to such exemptions from military duty as are created by the laws of the
United States.
Now let's try California...
Part 1 - THE STATE MILITIA
Section 122 - Composition of the militia of the State
The militia of the State consists of all able-bodied male citizens and all
other able-bodied males who have declared their intention to become citizens
of the United States, who are between the ages of eighteen and forty-five,
and who are residents of the State, and of such other persons as may upon
their own application be enlisted or commissioned therein pursuant to the
provisions of this division, subject, however, to such exemptions as now
exist or may be hereafter created by the laws of the United States or of
this State.
So, even if we assume the 2nd extends to only the militia rather than being
"the right of the people".
How exactly can you disarm those who by law ARE the militia????
Further, consider for a second.. how can an unarmed body of people form a
militia. Trying to arm them AFTER they are needed seems a bit like locking
the gate after the horse has run away.
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