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   On 4/6/2025 2:24 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:   
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   > "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vsujvm$1octb$1@dont-email.me...   
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   > On 4/6/2025 10:06 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:   
   >> "Jim Wilkins"  wrote in message news:vstnuv$s7al$1@dont-email.me...   
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   >> For LiFePO4 the current limit is typically the Amp-hour rating or a small   
   >> multiple of it, ...   
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   >> Which means that a 12V, 100Ah LiFePO4 could ideally power a 1.6 HP   
   >> motor for an hour. 16 of them in the BMS maximum 4S4P configuration   
   >> equals 25HP. I had such an engine in a Beetle, whose 0-60 time was 15   
   >> minutes while the tranny oil warmed up.   
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   >> That was a good excuse to avoid the Autobahn and instead wander   
   >> through picturesque little villages on service calls. At the time the   
   >> Autobahn was a squareish loop around the edges of Bavaria and cutting   
   >> across diagonally was nearly as quick, plus a Jeep or Army truck   
   >> wasn't much faster and I couldn't leave them parked outside a Gasthaus   
   >> overnight.   
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   >  From what I have found the only "economical" way to even make good use   
   > of a mid voltage motor like the Hyper 9 is to buy used commercial EV   
   > cells.  If I ran with something like a 48 volt forklift battery as Clare   
   > Snyder suggest I could run multiple LiFePos in parallel, but for higher   
   > voltages I'm stuck with used commercial Lithium Ion EV cells.  Well, new   
   > cells/modules are available, but they price puts it back in new car range.   
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   > Bob La Londe   
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   > I think (risky) the reason for the limit to how many you can parallel is   
   > the overheating (fire?) risk if the control of one BMS fails and it   
   > passes the entire load current, IOW the design margin. Likewise the   
   > series limit is the voltage rating of the MOSFETs if one BMS has to   
   > sustain the whole pack charging voltage.   
   >   
   > If that's correct you might at least need a fuse or DC-rated circuit   
   > breaker for each set of 4 in parallel. The explanation I read wasn't   
   > written by/for engineers.   
   >   
   > The prototype EV batch I helped build had 300V Li-ion batteries and I   
   > was the tech who had to diagnose (while hot) and fix their problems.   
   > Like my APC UPS there was a high current jumper plug to pull out and   
   > open the battery circuit to work on it. I am NOT qualified to give   
   > detailed design advice.   
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   > The special instruments I bought for high voltage and current are a 1KV   
   > Megger to check insulation, a micro-Ohmmeter for cable and contact   
   > resistance and a thermal imager to show hot spots. The micro-Ohmmeter   
   > found a batch of Chinese cable apparently made from scrap instead of   
   > pure metal, with much higher than expected resistance.   
   >   
   > The alternative is passing 1 Amp through the Device Under Test and   
   > measuring the voltage drop in milliVolts, which equals milliOhms.   
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   I was thinking something as simple as 4-48V prebuilt modules/batteries   
   in parallel each with its own BMS.  Something like the LiTimes 48V   
   batteries.  They state its okay to run up to 4 in parallel.  A fuse to   
   each battery might cure the shutdown/overload, but those units have   
   their own peak overload internally in the BMS.  Thermal shut down as   
   well.  Its one of the reasons I was looking at the LifePo batteries   
   available off the shelf.  Lots of them with thermal shut down and peak   
   load shutdown.  Just check the reviews to see which ones actually work.   
   LOL.  Prouse does a good job of reviewing batteries on his YouTube   
   channel.   
      
   The Hyper9 which is really at the bottom of the EV motors I'd consider   
   really likes to have available 100+ volts (144 if I recall).  Not an   
   options with the prebuilt LiFePos.  None of them seem to be rated to run   
   enough in series to get that.  The bigger motors all seem to be 400V+.   
      
      
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