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|    Bob La Londe to All    |
|    It Wasn't Me - Again - TIG Welding (1/2)    |
|    28 Aug 25 12:27:25    |
      From: none@none.com99              Some of you might recall my years long failure to learn to MIG weld. I       could get things to come out okay with aluminum with my spool gun, and I       learned to be okay with gasless flux core, but I couldn't make a MIG       weld to save my life. I even bought a decent name brand machine (Miller       212). Everybody kept telling me how easy it was, and I just kept       failing. It turned out to be the gas manifold inside the MIG gun. It       had no holes. Since then I use MIG (GMAW) and Flux Core (FCAW)       interchangeably as needed for the application.              A few (several maybe) years ago I picked up an AHP TIG201 AC/DC       TIG/stick welder. I don't have a lot of applications where I, "have       to," use TIG so I don't. Everybody told me it was much harder to learn       than the methods I already used, and that was my experience. My welds       sucked, I couldn't see anything while welding, and my tungstens pretty       much turned to blobs. I did get one "good" weld sorta kinda for a       customer job making some t-handle 304 stainless core pins for a       commercial fishing net sinker mold. It looked more like I had torch       welded it, but to be honest I think I could have O/A torch welded it       better.              A couple days ago I again was trying to make some t-handle core pins and       I ruined enough stock to make 20 pins to barely scab together 6. They       looked scabbed. Where it didn't look like a scab on a nasty wound it       looked like a volcano shit on it.              I get that TIG is a harder skill, but this was terrible. Nothign was       looking like I thought it should during any part of the process and my       tungsten electrodes (even when I didn't dip them) were coming out       looking like a crunchy Q-tip. Most of you probably already know the       problem, but this machine welded poorly like this from day one brand new       out of the crate. This machine was as new as it could be whne I bought       it. The container was still on a ship from China.              AHP has a decent reputation for the price. Basically if the machine       doesn't smoke in the first hour it will last for years.              Yesterday I decided to do what I did with the Miller that wouldn't MIG       weld for me. I walked out in the shop and started checking everything       starting at the torch. I was going to find the problem or destroy the       machine trying. Pulled the trigger (finger switch rather than foot       pedal) and I saw the flow ball jump to where I had it set. I could hear       the gas flowing. I couldn't feel anything at the torch.              It had a hose leak where the quick couple plugs into the machine for the       gas. That was easy to fix, but then there was another leak inside the       cover for the DINS connector. The main hose was leaking right there.       Its was kind of a strange setup, and wasn't repairable any practical way       I could think of due to how the hose clamps on over where the cable is       crimped on.              I bought a Harbor Freight Vulcan TIG kit/assembly. It was maybe $10       more than a replacemnt from AHP, but no freight, I could pick it up       today (yesterday) and it came with some extra consumables. Cups, gas       manifolds, collets, and even a few ceriated tungsten electrodes. The       only thing I had to change was the gas connector on the adapter cable       that comes with it. I used the old one from the AHP hose/torch assembly.              When I fired it up it was like somebody flipped a switch. No I don't       mean the finger switch zip tied to the torch. I mean I could see.       EVERYTHING. I could see the arc. I could see the puddle. I could see       the electrode. It was almost like the arc shots WeldTubers post in       their YouTube videos. Then I promptly melted the part I was testing on.        LOL It took my 5 or 6 tries and a couple dipped and reground       tungstens, but I finally made some welds that looked like they were TIG       welded instead sprayed with the north end of a south bound chicken with       diarrhea. I made a few touchy autogenous tack welds between a 9mm 304       rod and a 3/32 (2.4mm) "18-8" washer and they looked better than       anything I'd ever done before with a TIG torch.              Okay, you can blame me for not doing a basic check for a gas leak long       ago, but I didn't expect the hoses to be bad out of the box. Sure after       it sat in my shop a few years not working right the hoses could have       failed, but I never even thought to check that specifically because it       was like that from day one, and I was told TIG welding is much harder to       learn.              They say its a poor trades/crafts person who blames their tools, but I       need to stop doubting myself. This is not the first time I kept butting       my head up against a welding problem to finally realize it was the       machine. With my AC cracker box, I finally realized I was doing jobs       that were hitting and exceeding the duty cycle. With both of my       portable flux only machines the duty cycle was so short as to make it       hard to tell I wasn't welding all that badly until I hit the duty cycle.        I improved those by cutting giant holes in the cases and mounting       cooling fans on them. The Miller came with a defective gas manifold,       and the AHP came with bad hoses. If I had not automatically assumed I       was the problem I would have probably figured out the real problem and       found an improvement or solution much sooner. In some cases years sooner.              FYI: The Harbor Freight Vulcan comes with two different sizes of DINS       connectors for gas through DINS machines, and an adapter cable with a       side hose for use with a larger DINS and a separate gas port on the       machine. The torch also has a gas flow/shutoff valve for machines that       do not have an automatic gas solenoid. The torch is rigid and feels a       little larger and clunkier than the AHP torch, but it looks like it has       the same type of connector under some heat shrink inside the handle as       the AHP torch. The AHP torch that came with my machine is a flex head       and the Vulcan is a rigid head. I may switch torches. I can think of       several positions that might have made the job I was doing easier with a       flex head. The Vulcon also feels a lot heavier because it has heavier       thicker rubber hose and cable attached to it. Both torches are industry       standard type 17 interchangeable for components. For $99 US, I think       the Vulcan TIG torch kit is a good deal. I would buy one again knowing       what I know now, but I do wish it was a flex head.              P.S. I have had decent luck with Vulcan welding equipment. Well as       little as I have. I have a Vulcan, Lincoln Viking, and a Miller auto       dark welding hood. They are all very good, and I actually use them all,       but I like the Vulcan the best of the three. Until recently when the              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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