From: muratlanne@gmail.com   
      
   "Richard Smith"  wrote in message news:m1pl9ffbqx.fsf@void.com...   
      
   The "Burevestnik" could be launched from scaffold poles in Siberia,   
   meander and loiter around - under a post-nuclear-war scorched sky -   
   approaching its target from any direction, at any time, none   
   predictable.  Each one is a city gone - not a delectable thought when   
   the US population is promised a "decapitation strike".   
   Point 2 - this is addititive to the "Poseidon" "cruise-torpedo" where   
   one "torpedo" and detonation would "take out" at least two coast cities   
   on the East Coast of the USA.   
      
   My understanding is that the Russian Federation with the power of   
   clairvoyance more than 10 years ago saw Pete Hegseth between the   
   swirling clouds of their crystal ball, and developed devices of no   
   military purpose apart from blowing the wax out of his ears ("if his   
   brains were made of gunpowder it wouldn't blow the wax out of his   
   ears").   
      
   Both these devices would be used after a "pre-emptive nuclear strike"   
   (prerogative of being a "democracy" (sic.)) so satellite surveillance   
   etc. is unlikely to be working well.   
      
   I am surprised they seem to be analysed as ineffectual.   
      
   My understanding is that the two systems - "Burevestnik" and "Poseidon"   
   - were developed by the Russian Federation on evaluating that the   
   "Western" governments are not rational actors.  That is their evaluation   
   - I won't comment...   
      
   You have knowledge to comment on these?   
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   These are like the V-2 missile which couldn't be stopped but also   
   contributed little to winning the war.   
      
   Development of such weapons halted when ICBMs proved a better solution. We   
   still don't publically know if defenses against ballistic missiles will   
   succeed, perhaps the uncertainty prevents another arms race to build enough   
   to overwhelm any defense.   
      
   I am not current on defense matters and couldn't comment if I was. Mitre   
   dealt mainly with advancing communications technology, not weapons. What I   
   know and describe is from published sources like Aviation Week and WW2   
   memoirs. We still face the same problems in similar ways.   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X   
   It's an early example of frequency hopping (spread spectrum) radio control   
   that we still use, and jamming it.   
      
   Your presumption that spy satellites would have been degraded would also   
   apply to navigational and communications relay satellites the missiles would   
   need for accurate targeting. Announcing these threats publically serves to   
   frighten civilians and alert the military to evaluate sensors and   
   countermeasures.   
      
   Modern weapons ideally function in systems that multiply their effectiveness   
   by combining various sensors into a God's Eye view of the battlefield which   
   puts the warfighters in the best positions to attack while degrading the   
   same from the enemy, for example AWACS and jamming. We know our systems will   
   be degraded too and defend them plus train for fighting down to pistols,   
   grenades and bayonets, as in Fallujah.   
      
   The effect is that cooperating teams are more significant than the   
   individual weapons, like artillery and air power supporting infantry. A good   
   example is the defeat of U-boats by combined long range aircraft, improved   
   depth charge methods, hunter-killer carrier groups with air dropped sonar   
   homing torpedos and HF/DF direction finding that could locate an enemy's 50   
   millisecond radio transmission bursts in the first millisecond. German radio   
   direction finders couldn't locate that fast and they assumed theirs were   
   superior to Britain's, which was true for accuracy but not speed.   
      
   The U-boot was a frightful weapon individually but not well suited to being   
   a coordinated system because radio transmissions revealed their presence and   
   later location, and the Luftwaffe wasn't interested in providing adequate   
   support for them. The fleet waiting for D-Day accomplished almost nothing.   
      
   These smell like the Nazi superweapons that proved to be largely paper   
   airplanes and desperate promises to keep the scientifically ignorant Nazis   
   from drafting the engineers, or the Russian Armata invincible super tank.   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata   
   "In March 2024, the CEO of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, finally confirmed that   
   the tank has never been deployed in Ukraine for being too expensive and the   
   T-90 being a more efficient option."   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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