From: djb@invalid.com   
      
   On 21/11/2025 13:22, Jim Wilkins wrote:   
   > "Richard Smith"  wrote in message news:m11plry7jl.fsf@void.com...   
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   > I practiced handgun at nearly 100m in the desert - you can see by the   
   > sand-splash on a far berm where the shots are landing - and was able   
   > correct someone American that yes you could land six out of eight shots   
   > on target at 30m if you kept in-practice with your firearms in various   
   > scenarios.  (stating the obvious that's about visualising the elevation   
   > you need for subsonic rounds at those ranges - which at 100m is quite a   
   > lot of degrees - visibly pointed high above the horizon)   
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   > I've won no-money bets that I could put holes in a soda can at 100   
   > yards with a pistol. The sound and jump is proof if you can't see it.   
   > At 75 yards I could pick which end to hit. And I'm not nearly the best   
   > shot in the club.   
   >   
   In my experience with guns and archery when I lived in the US there's a   
   certain amount of psychology involved in the grouping and target size.   
   My groupings would be significantly smaller if my target was a bottle   
   top placed in the centre of the target compared to just shooting at the   
   target alone, the distance being the same.   
      
      
   > These are sights for long range black powder target shooting at   
   > similar to pistol velocities, though with much heavier bullets. Mine   
   > is marked for up to 2.5 inches elevation for the medium ranges.   
   > https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?   
   =2&q=Sights+for+45-70   
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