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|    Bob La Londe to All    |
|    3D Printing - Big Struggle    |
|    01 Dec 25 12:58:35    |
      From: none@none.com99              I think I've been a victim of a constant pummeling of promotion,       ignorant people asking if I 3D print, an onslaught of influencers, and       being weak willed due to an oncoming sniffle.              I ordered a 3D printer over the weekend. Now here is the deal. I can't       think of a single think I "need" to print. Well, there are a couple       things that I could print FOR the new printer when it arrives, but if I       never ordered it I wouldn't "need" to print those things.              I've done the math. For 99.99% of the things I make its cheaper and       faster (time is money) to machine it from raw stock.              3D printing is slow. Its not as good. It still requires a CAD model to       start. There is one place where it may be a trade off. Using a slicer       on a 3D model is semi automated, and it might be faster than doing CAM       for a 3 or 3+1 milling operation for some jobs... I think.              There is one area where it might have an edge. Material price. Hold       on. Hold on. I know PLA starts at around $6 per pound on average and       wrought aluminum at about $2-3, but the volumetric difference is huge,       and with good 3D prints there is much less waste & much greater volume       per weight depending on your machining strategy.              After I get things figured out I'll probably be using much more       expensive filaments. ASA and carbon fiber reinforced polymers among       them. Maybe even some of the metalized filaments.              I have some logistical problems.              1. I don't really know squat about the basic nuts and bolts of 3D       printing (filament printing).       2. I don't have a good clean room (not lab clean room) I want to use       for printing.       3. I don't know what I want to print.              I thought about mimicking some of the work by Print Shoot Repeat, but I       have already machined receivers from metal. I'm not sure what would be       gained by making a weaker if lighter receiver, and of course it only       works for certain types of receivers where the force is mostly managed       and contained within the upper like a Glock, AR, SR40, etc.              I did have a customer once tell me to go pound sand once, because I       wouldn't add 3D test prints and multiple iterations to making his parts       for the same price as making his parts. "Price sounds great. Now do       all this extra work too and you got a deal." Honestly I don't want that       customer anyway. I don't mind doing more work, but I expect to get paid       for it.              Some of you guys must have gotten dragged kicking and screaming into the       3D print world. Tell me what its better for than subtractive machining       other than a handful of parts that can't easily be machine.              I do see where injection molding is good for production parts, but       injection molding makes a stronger part in seconds per cycle. 3D       printing escapes me and yet I have fallen victim after a long time       struggling with finding significant advantages.              --       Bob La Londe       CNC Molds N Stuff                     --       This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.       www.avg.com              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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