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   Steve Furbish wrote:   
   > "Cory Dunkle"  wrote in message   
   > news:g5CdnXom-6J0zWajXTWJhA@comcast.com...   
   >> Steve Furbish wrote:   
   >>>>>> Instead of being like every other punk-ass cop in this group and   
   >>>>>> bitching about how I didn't report it how about you tell me   
   >>>>>> _how_ I report it and _what_ to do? I've asked several times,   
   >>>>>> and I'm   
   >>>>>> always ignored. Tell me _who_ exactly I call, and _what_ exactly   
   >>>>>> I am to do to find out who it was that harassed me.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If you want hand-holding then you ought to be a bit nicer to start   
   >>>>> with.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Again, you dodge my question. Perhaps you are just trying to   
   >>>> protect your fellow officers from being held responsible for their   
   >>>> actions.   
   >>>   
   >>> That tactic didn't work for John Menso either, Cory. It's not   
   >>> necessarily a dodge when one fails to respond positively to a venom   
   >>> filled query like yours.   
   >>   
   >> I only use such derogatory comments after plenty have been dished   
   >> out to me. You went too far and keep pushing, so of course I'm going   
   >> to get frustrated with your poor attitude and respond accordingly.   
   >   
   > I guess by "went too far and keep pushing" you must mean that I don't   
   > buy your BS?   
      
   No, it's your poor attitude and childish response.   
      
   >>> I'd like to think that your question was   
   >>> rhetorical since it should be a whole lot easier for you to figure   
   >>> out what agency you dealt with that fateful night than it is for me.   
   >>> You didn't seem like a stupid fellow in the beginning so I'll assume   
   >>> that you're just "playing dumb"?   
   >>   
   >> I don't know how to figure that out. So please, tell me who I call   
   >> to track down the perp.   
   >   
   > That would vary from agency to agency, but almost every department   
   > I've ever had dealings with had at least one person who accepts and   
   > investigates citizen complaints.   
      
   My point is that in most cases when I boserve this behavior I do not know   
   waht department the vehicle is from, and therefore cannot simply call   
   information and ask for a particular police department.   
      
   > Unfortuantely for you that's not   
   > often the chief himself and it rarely helps to go in with a chip on   
   > your shoulder. You should politely present your "facts" to the person   
   > assigned to field your complaint and request progress notifications   
   > if they're not automatically offered. It also helps to be realistic   
   > about your expectations. If you're looking to change undesireable   
   > behavior so that it doesn't occur again then a complaint to the   
   > department might be the proper avenue to present your grievances. If,   
   > however, you're looking for personal satisfaction and/or monetary   
   > relief you'll probably need to file a lawsuit and for that you'll   
   > likely need the competent legal advice of a good attorney. Having the   
   > officer's job based on a single incident where the most serious   
   > allegation is an allegedly coerced search would be an unrealistic   
   > goal IMHO.   
      
   Most of all I want the reckless behavior cops typically exhibit to stop.   
   Next up I would like cops to be subject to the same laws as everyone else   
   while on duty unless on call (i.e. exceed the speed limit and the cop gets a   
   ticket), but even when on call they should not drive recklessly.   
      
   >>> Perhaps in Jersey you'll get positive results calling a "pig" or a   
   >>> "whiny bitch", but where I'm from that won't gain you loads of   
   >>> respect. So I guess you're right - if you want to act that way then   
   >>> I don't think you're worth my time. If, OTOH, you have a legitimate   
   >>> question and you ask politely I'd be only too happy to try and   
   >>> answer if I'm able.   
   >>   
   >> I never referred to you as a pig or a whiny bitch. You got touchy and   
   >> interpreted my calling a cop who recklessly endangered my life as   
   >> well as the lives of other innocent motorists a pig as a personal   
   >> insult towards you. It was not such and I explained that to you   
   >> after your vicious response, furthermore I did not react in a   
   >> vindictive manner, but rather politely tried to explain that I meant   
   >> you no offense and what not referring to you. You continued to dish   
   >> out rude and inappropriate, as well as prejudiced comments towards   
   >> me after that presumably because you disagree with my opinions.   
   >   
   > Whatever...   
      
   Ah, the response of someone who knows he's wrong but isn't quite ready to   
   accept it.   
      
   >>> Your opinion is noted. Perhaps then you could explain the vast   
   >>> majority of drivers who never manage to get stopped? Why is it   
   >>> always the Cory Dunkle's of the world who seem to get profiled?   
   >>   
   >> Well, perhaps it's the "Cory Dunkle's of the world" who get stopped   
   >> because they are the ones who will say something about it. You've   
   >> been calling me a 'whiny bitch' and such for some time now, telling   
   >> me to do something about   
   >   
   >> it. I tell you I have, and you ignore me, then finally when you   
   >> acknowledge it you don't believe that I did.   
   >   
   > Perhaps you could repeat that in English?   
      
   You say it's always the people like me who are stopped. I tell you that   
   impression you get is simply because people like me make it known that they   
   were stopped. I go on to tell you that I complain to their superiors and my   
   elected officials about the cop's reckless and unjust behavior and you   
   ignore that fact (it took countless times that I mentioned it before you   
   acknowledged that I did something about it). You then call me a 'whiny   
   bitch' because I mention these corrupt police occurrences on Usenet in   
   addition to those in a position to do something about it. Apparently you'd   
   have no one know about the reckless behavior and harassment that police   
   exhibit often enough.   
      
   >> The vast majority of drivers can't be stopped, as there aren't that   
   >> many cops or enough hours in the day. The cops will   
   >> (self-admittedly) stop people who are not breaking laws when there   
   >> are plenty of people in sight who are breaking the law. Most people   
   >> won't make a big fuss over this type of stuff.   
   >   
   > Let's just concentrate on the experience that you started this thread   
   > with. You seemed to indicate that the roads were fairly deserted and   
   > you didn't mention any traffic other than you and your cop. So we   
   > have one potential DUI (based on driving behaviors we've already   
   > discussed to near death) and no other violations for the cop to deal   
   > with. Your argument is pretty weak at this point since you apparently   
   > were the most serious situation to investigate in the vicinity that   
   > night.   
      
      
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