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   From: danhackley@hotmail.com   
      
   Glad we got that cleared up. However;   
      
   > If ingesting any chemical causes undesirable effects on the body, that is   
   called a toxic effect.   
      
   You are confusing this with the term "side-effect", which denotes the   
   effects described above. A description of a side-effect may be "a result of   
   drug or other therapy in addition to or in extension of the desired   
   therapeutic effect, usually undesirable".   
      
   A toxic effect is a literally a poisonous effect. For example oxygen may   
   become toxic if breathed at high pressures, causing sensory and other   
   abnormalities. Cyanide is toxic at even low levels.   
      
   LSD only becomes "toxic" at dosages many times the average dose. At doses   
   below this threshold, unwanted effects such as sweating, nausea or fear are   
   not due to toxicity; rather they are side-effects (but I agree that since   
   this a non-therapeutic drug, these terms have little meaning).   
      
      
      
      
      
   "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"  wrote in message   
   news:3f22ce34$0$159$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.net...   
   > Decussation of pyra wrote:   
   > > I don't understand why you introduce the concept of behavioural   
   > > toxicity, as it is irrelevant in this discussion.   
   >   
   >    I'll concede that was confusing.   
   >   
   > > You are deviating   
   > > from the original argument, which was whether this gentleman died of   
   > > LSD toxicity or not. True he did not die from behavioural toxicity,   
   > > as the death did not result from any particular behaviour on his   
   > > part. Nor did he die from direct toxicity of the drug (as you pointed   
   > > out, this was not an "overdose"). The cause of death in this case is   
   > > simply a myocardial infarction, precipitated by the emotional stress   
   > > of ingesting LSD.   
   >   
   >    Right. He died of myocardial infarction, precipitated by the   
   > emotional stress of ingesting LSD. This stress was due to the toxic   
   > effects of LSD. If ingesting any chemical causes undesirable effects on   
   > the body, that is called a toxic effect. Emotional or physical stress is   
   > an undesirable effect. The parallel with behavioral toxicity is:   
   >   
   > Behavioral toxicity:   
   > drug --> causes dangerous behavior --> which causes death   
   >   
   > Physical toxicity (in this specific case):   
   > drug --> causes emotional or physical stress --> which causes death   
   >   
   >    Physical toxicity can also include gross overdose, etc. All LSD   
   > deaths have to be in one of the 2 categories above. Since the guy died   
   > of a heart attack rather than doing something stupid while high on it,   
   > it is a physical toxicity death.   
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   > For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.   
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