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   From: be@here.now   
      
   Once upon a timeless moment,   
   rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski  hallucinated:   
   > Martel wrote:   
   >> Fundamental erroneous assumption: mental states that appear similar to   
   >> outside observers really are similar in the experience of those whose   
   >> mental states they are.   
   >   
      
   Even worse, the test was on mice, not humans. Mice do not have the   
   variety of reactions to LSD that humans have. In humans the effects of   
   LSD can range from states resembling mental illness to states   
   resembling mystical states. The article incorrectly states "LSD, PCP   
   and amphetamines...create the same psychoses as seen in   
   schizophrenia". In cases when LSD does produce a psychotic-like state,   
   it doesn't usually resemble schizophrenia. And for amphetamine to   
   produce a psychotic-like state, most people would have to binge on it   
   for several days.   
      
   >    Where does this say that this is limited to outside observers?   
      
      "Schizophrenia-like symptoms such as repetitive movements and sensory   
       perception defects induced by the psychotomimetics were strongly   
       attenuated in two of the three different mutant mouse lines"   
      
   They observed mice from the outside and considered "repetitive   
   movements and sensory perception defects" to indicate   
   schizophrenia. Pretty silly. This study is on the stupidity/bias level   
   of Ricuarte.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)