XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
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   From: BilZ0r@TAKETHISOUThotmail.com   
      
   Matthew Isleb  wrote in   
   news:pan.2003.12.14.00.20.17.188970@NO.SPAMonshore.com:   
      
   > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:11:32 +0000, BilZ0r wrote:   
   >   
   >>> It wasn't a rhetorical question. I am curious about what Bilzor   
   >>> thinks is the distinction between a dream and a drug induced   
   >>> hallucination. Why is the latter psychotic and the former not? Hell,   
   >>> why is any hallucination necessarily psychotic?   
   >>>   
   >>> -matthew   
   >>   
   >> This is the definition of psychosis I use.   
   >>   
   >> A mental disorder characterised by gross impairment in reality   
   >> testing as evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, markedly   
   >> incoherent speech or disorganised and agitated behaviour without   
   >> apparent awareness on the part of the patient of the   
   >> incomprehensibility of his behaviour, the term is also used in a more   
   >> general sense to refer to mental disorders in which mental   
   >> functioning is sufficiently impaired as to interfere grossly with the   
   >> patients capacity to meet the ordinary demands of life.   
   >   
   > Notice that this refers to "the patient." This definition is only   
   > really applicable to someone under the care of a doctor where the   
   > patient is experiencing or   
   > becoming a problem. It is presumptuous to make such diagnoses outside   
   > the context of medical or psychiatric care, especially since you are   
   > not a doctor (neither am I).   
      
   What?   
      
   >> if you were dreaming all of the time, and hallucinating (in the lines   
   >> of DMT all the time) you would be psychotic (and catatonic in the   
   >> first instance).   
   >   
   > What does dreaming have to do with catatonia? I suggest you look up   
   > the term "catatonic," Dr. BliZ0r.   
      
   Well if someone was in a perminant state of dreaming, they would be   
   unwakeable and irresponsive. That makes them catatonic in my books.   
      
   >> While under the influence of DMT, I think it would be safe to say   
   >> that you are in a "drug induced psychosis".   
   >   
   > Speak for yourself. What you call "safe," I call presumptuous,   
   > unwarranted, and unqualified.   
   > Since when is automatically labeling people in terms of mental   
   > disorders based on superficial behavioral observations the "safe"   
   > thing to do?   
   >   
   > -matthew   
      
   If you are seeing shit that isn't there, and you don't know that it isn't   
   real, you are psychotic -FULLSTOP-   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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