XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
   XPost: rec.drugs.psychedelic   
   From: BilZ0r@TAKETHISOUThotmail.com   
      
   glog  wrote in news:slrnbtne58.alr.be@be.here.now:   
      
   > Once upon a timeless moment,   
   > BilZ0r  hallucinated:   
   >> Matthew Isleb  wrote in   
   >> news:pan.2003.12.13.19.40.22.883298@NO.SPAMonshore.com:   
   >>   
   >>>>> Why is a dream not psychotic?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    I know you are stupid based on your previous posts. But really,   
   >>>> dreams mean someone is psychotic?   
   >>>   
   >>> It wasn't a rhetorical question. I am curious about what Bilzor   
   >>> thinks is the distinction between a dream and a drug induced   
   >>> hallucination. Why is the latter psychotic and the former not? Hell,   
   >>> why is any hallucination necessarily psychotic?   
   >>>   
   >>> -matthew   
   >>   
   >> This is the definition of psychosis I use.   
   >>   
   >> A mental disorder characterised by gross impairment in reality   
   >> testing   
   >   
   > The question is then when one does DMT does it cause a "gross   
   > impairment in reality testing". Are you aware many are able to   
   > distunguish that that their hallucinations are not part of this   
   > physical world?   
      
   Yes it does. Ever heard someone try to speak under DMT? They can't, but   
   they don't know that. Likewise they often can't register most of they're   
   state; they can't tell if they're sitting, lying, eyes open or closed.   
      
   >> as   
   >> evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, markedly incoherent speech or   
   >> disorganised and agitated behaviour without apparent awareness on the   
   >> part of the patient of the incomprehensibility of his behaviour,   
   >   
   > So psychosis is *behavioural*. Does everyone who does DMT *act*   
   > psychotically??   
      
   Well if you consider hallucination/delusions behaviour.   
      
   >> the term   
   >> is also used in a more general sense to refer to mental disorders in   
   >> which mental functioning is sufficiently impaired as to interfere   
   >> grossly with the patients capacity to meet the ordinary demands of   
   >> life.   
   >>   
   >> if you were dreaming all of the time, and hallucinating (in the lines   
   >> of DMT all the time) you would be psychotic (and catatonic in the   
   >> first instance).   
   >>   
   >> While under the influence of DMT, I think it would be safe to say   
   >> that you are in a "drug induced psychosis".   
   >>   
   >   
   > What if one doesn't experience "gross impairment in reality testing"   
   > and resulting psychotic behaviour that you seem to think everyone   
   > would experience on DMT. Are shamans doing ayahuasca rituals simply   
   > under a "drug induced psychosis"??   
      
   Shamans think they are talking to spirits, traversing time and becoming   
   animals. That sounds preety psychotic to me.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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