XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
   XPost: rec.drugs.psychedelic   
   From: BilZ0r@TAKETHISOUThotmail.com   
      
   Matthew Isleb  wrote in   
   news:pan.2003.12.14.02.41.05.464101@NO.SPAMonshore.com:   
      
   >>>> if you were dreaming all of the time, and hallucinating (in the   
   >>>> lines of DMT all the time) you would be psychotic (and catatonic in   
   >>>> the first instance).   
   >>>   
   >>> What does dreaming have to do with catatonia? I suggest you look up   
   >>> the term "catatonic," Dr. BliZ0r.   
   >>   
   >> Well if someone was in a perminant state of dreaming, they would be   
   >> unwakeable and irresponsive. That makes them catatonic in my books.   
   >   
   > You're thinking of "comatose." Besides, who said anything about being   
   > unwakable, unresponsive, or permanent anyway? I just said "dreaming."   
   > I don't even think dreaming is possible while in a coma, but I could   
   > be wrong.   
      
   No, I'm not. catatonic just means unresponsive. Who said unwakeable,   
   unresponsive? I did, becasue I made up the hypotheical state of PERMANENT   
   dreaming. Coma patients show REM. Presumabley they dream.   
      
      
   >>>> While under the influence of DMT, I think it would be safe to say   
   >>>> that you are in a "drug induced psychosis".   
   >>>   
   >>> Speak for yourself. What you call "safe," I call presumptuous,   
   >>> unwarranted, and unqualified.   
   >>> Since when is automatically labeling people in terms of mental   
   >>> disorders based on superficial behavioral observations the "safe"   
   >>> thing to do?   
   >>>   
   >>> -matthew   
   >>   
   >> If you are seeing shit that isn't there, and you don't know that it   
   >> isn't real, you are psychotic -FULLSTOP-   
   >   
   > You could be delirious or dreaming or just having a good time.   
   >   
   > -matthew   
      
   The line between delerium and psychosis is preety blurred. I would say   
   that the only difference between delerium and psychosis is that delerium   
   is acute/reversable. As I said before, if someone was in a permantent   
   state of dreaming I think they would be classefied as psychotic. What,   
   when you have a good time, you see shit that isn't there?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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