XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
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   From: be@here.now   
      
   Once upon a timeless moment,   
   Walkaway  hallucinated:   
   > An additional comment: over the years I have tried to wrestle with the   
   > best ways to verbalize these experiences, and have been willing to   
   > think out loud while so doing.  It seems to me that if used in a   
   > literal sense, the term mind-manifesting is a bit wide,   
      
   I have no idea what it means. What is "mind"?? It seems to me that at   
   least some "mind" is always manifest, even in deep sleep. With mind   
   always manifest, would 'psychedelic' then mean 'manifesting more   
   mind'?? If so, then we imply the idea of 'manifesting less mind',   
   i.e. 'antipsychedelic'.   
      
   > and if used as   
   > denoting the "making conscious of the unconscious" is a bit too   
   > Freudian. As I typically understand the term now, I use it as a   
   > short-hand reference to "Mind-manifesting," and the intentionality of   
   > the person is critical in evaluating whether their employment of   
   > certain sacramental aids (and I view all the world as a sacramental   
   > counter) is or is not manifesting of Mind.  I'm not dogmatically   
   > committed to this understanding, and will happily revise it as soon as   
   > a better one (for me, in my situation) comes along.   
      
   Would in be too Freudian to introduce the concept of perceptual   
   filtering, in terms of how we filter sensation, memory, emotion and   
   cognition?? Then perhaps we could look at the deconstruction of   
   perceptual filtering as tending towards 'psychedelic', enhancement of   
   or addition of new perceptual filtering as tending towards   
   'anti-psychedelic', and mixtures of both as more or less tending   
   towards 'mixed'.   
      
   Do drugs filter things out from one's awareness?? Do people ever use   
   them with that intent??   
      
   > Are you having a   
   > good New Year, Glog?   
      
   What's a new year?? Is there any year that happened that wasn't 'new'   
   when it happened?? What does it mean for any point in time, or period   
   of time be 'new'?? Is the present moment 'new'?? Or is the present   
   moment very very old??   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)