XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
   XPost: rec.drugs.psychedelic   
   From: rfgdxm@SPAMSUCKSmochamail.com   
      
   Frederick Burroughs wrote:   
   > "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" wrote:   
      
   >>    From what you write above, notably that you and your friends were   
   >> LSD users, this tends to suggest to me that you were using as a   
   >> definition of "trip" (which is the term to describe being on a   
   >> psychedelic drug) meaning "like LSD". The general populace defines   
   >> "psychedelic" as a drug that causes hallucinations and bizarre   
   >> mental states. And moving the discussion of the use of terms to just   
   >> PCP users, my observation has been that probably most of them never   
   >> had used LSD. Thus they'd have to use a phenomenological definition   
   >> ("a drug that causes hallucinations and bizarre mental states"),   
   >> since they couldn't use the ostensive definition "like LSD".   
   >   
   > I don't deny LSD is the standard by which I measure "psychedelic.   
      
      OK. Just to note that if you use LSD as the standard, that means it is a   
   purely subjective standard. You have no way of knowing if LSD effects me the   
   same way as it does you.   
      
   > "Trip," however, is more a term of degree.  Low doses of LSD don't   
   > result in a trip.  A heavy dose of PCP (or DXM, or LSD, etc.) could   
   > easily result in a trip.   
      
      The problem here is that this semantic use of yours may confuse many, in   
   that saying a heavy dose of PCP can easily result in a trip would mean   
   they'd assume you meant it was a psychedelic. For example, nobody in adh   
   calls nodding on heroin "tripping".   
      
   > Most of my friends weren't heavy users of   
   > PCP.  I certainly wasn't.  The heavy users I knew seemed kinda fried,   
   > though this might have been the result of a group behavioral dynamic   
   > from hanging out with other heavy users.   
      
      If they were really heavy users, as in daily, more that they may have   
   been constantly high.   
      
   >>    Can anyone familiar with the old scene of Grateful Dead concerts   
   >> comment on how popular PCP use was at these concerts? If it wasn't   
   >> very popular, this would tend to indicate the overlap between the   
   >> LSD and PCP users wasn't all that great. This could result in a   
   >> significant difference in the nomenclature these groups used.   
   >   
   > I was never a big Dead fan (though I *really* dig some of their   
   > stuff).  Almost all the Deadheads I knew were really into acid.   
   > Theirs was a folksy, kinda crafty, homegrown, easy going psychedelia.   
   > Nothing psychotomimetic about it at all.   
      
      Which may have to do with the fact the sort of person who chose to become   
   Deadheads were the sort that didn't find LSD that psychotomimetic.   
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