XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
   XPost: rec.drugs.psychedelic   
   From: rfgdxm@SPAMSUCKSmochamail.com   
      
   Frederick Burroughs wrote:   
   > Walkaway wrote:   
   >>   
   >> Frederick Burroughs  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> PCP treated marijuana was popular in suburban Washington   
   >>> D.C. around this same time.  As it was commonly used, at   
   >>> low to moderate doses, smoked, the effects weren't   
   >>> considered to be psychedelic by any of my friends.   
   >>   
   >> What about uncommon use at large doses?  What if I said, "As LSD was   
   >> commmonly used, in 25 to 50 microgram dosages, orally, the effects   
   >> weren't considered to be psychedelic by any of my friends?"   
   >   
   > PCP, as most of us used it, was adjuvant to marijuana use.  Dosages   
   > were kept moderate in order to remain functional; floating but   
   > relatively clear headed.  Most people 'd be pissed with a 25 to 50   
   > microgram dose of acid, having to take 5 hits for a decent trip.   
      
      Which may mean they didn't consider PCP a psychedelic because they were   
   taking underdoses if tripping was the goal.   
      
   >> RFG already noted that here you appear to be defining "psychedelic"   
   >> as "producing the same effects I experienced with LSD."   
   >   
   > Yes, that's the standard I prefer to use.  I think it has the most   
   > historical validity.  LSD is the drug most people will associate with   
   > "psychedelic."  I don't deny the definition is (very) applicable to   
   > other drugs.  But, I do try to understand how other's apply the term   
   > and compare it to my own use.   
      
      The problem here is that "psychedelic" is a word used by almost everyone.   
   Only a very small percentage of whom have actually used LSD. Ostensive   
   definitions are good when everyone shares the experience in common. If   
   someone who has never a cow is with me, points at a cow and asks what that   
   critter is called, and I respond "cow", then he will be meaning basically   
   the same thing you do when you say "cow". This doesn't work well when the   
   word is "psychedelic", when most people have never taken any of the drugs at   
   least some here call "psychedelic", and furthermore would have no interest   
   in doing so. Thus the word needs a phenomenological definition. The one that   
   has generally been agreed on is basically "causes hallucinations, and makes   
   people think bizarre thoughts". LSD and DXM both do that. Certainly there   
   are qualitative differences, but few of the general public really care to   
   delve into researching that.   
      
      Beyond that is the issue of subjective response. It could be that the   
   subjective mental effects you get from LSD is basically what I get from DXM,   
   and vice-versa. And, how can one put into words the mental effects of LSD   
   other than by using vague things like "causes bizarre thoughts"?   
      
   >> What about people who say that LSD gets them "high" (me, for   
   >> instance)?  Also, are you aware that some people apparently define   
   >> "trip" as referring to sensory alterations and euphoria?   
   >   
   > Personally, I use "high" and "trip" as relative terms.  "Buzzed" is a   
   > low-level, relatively functional high.  "High" is a very decent buzz,   
   > to the point where you might not want to drive, and might want to take   
   > other precautions.  "Tripping" is high level, you definitely don't   
   > want to drive and you may want to avoid having to deal with the   
   > public.   
      
      I use the word "tripping" much different. I'd say if I took a low dose of   
   LSD and was experiencing obvious effects this was "tripping", even if I   
   could walk to the local store and buy a gallon of milk with nobody noticing   
   I was on a drug.   
      
   >> It was common practice among your set of friends to take a   
   >> dissociative anesthetic, climb up a ladder, waddle to the edge of a   
   >> narrow board located a significant distance above the ground, and   
   >> then jump into water?   
   >   
   > Absolutely.  The pool was kind of a central watering hole.  We'd get   
   > high and go swimming.  Sooner or later everyone showed up at the   
   > pool.  It was a 100 meter pool and community swim club, right behind   
   > my house.  We spent our whole childhood there, so swimming and diving   
   > were reflexive, 2nd nature.  There was zero apprehension about getting   
   > high and going to the pool.   
      
      Sounds foolish to me, but at least you were no threat to others, like   
   people who drive on drugs. Imagine slipping on the ladder most of the way   
   up...   
   --   
   http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/   
   For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.   
      
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