XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
   XPost: rec.drugs.psychedelic   
   From: rfgdxm@SPAMSUCKSmochamail.com   
      
   Frederick Burroughs wrote:   
   > "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" wrote:   
      
   >>    The problem here is that "psychedelic" is a word used by almost   
   >> everyone. Only a very small percentage of whom have actually used   
   >> LSD. Ostensive definitions are good when everyone shares the   
   >> experience in common. If someone who has never a cow is with me,   
   >> points at a cow and asks what that critter is called, and I respond   
   >> "cow", then he will be meaning basically the same thing you do when   
   >> you say "cow". This doesn't work well when the word is   
   >> "psychedelic", when most people have never taken any of the drugs at   
   >> least some here call "psychedelic", and furthermore would have no   
   >> interest in doing so. Thus the word needs a phenomenological   
   >> definition. The one that has generally been agreed on is basically   
   >> "causes hallucinations, and makes people think bizarre thoughts".   
   >> LSD and DXM both do that. Certainly there are qualitative   
   >> differences, but few of the general public really care to delve into   
   >> researching that.   
   >   
   > Adp is not representative of the general public.  Participants in this   
   > forum have a level of experience that affords a very real and first   
   > hand knowledge of what "psychedelic" means.  It is our own personal   
   > experience we bring to the table in this forum, not some generally   
   > accepted, broad based definition aimed at pandering to public   
   > ignorance.  We're not speaking to the media; in here we are stoned,   
   > immaculate.   
      
      The definition wasn't broad based pandering to public ignorance. This   
   comes from researchers decades ago. Researchers who were calling PCP a   
   psychedelic before the general public ever heard the word.   
      
   >>    Beyond that is the issue of subjective response. It could be that   
   >> the subjective mental effects you get from LSD is basically what I   
   >> get   
   >> from DXM, and vice-versa. And, how can one put into words the mental   
   >> effects of LSD other than by using vague things like "causes bizarre   
   >> thoughts"?   
   >   
   > "Bizarre thoughts???"  When I saw the universe in my girlfriend's eye,   
   > it was a moment of exquisite beauty.  The moment was sublime.  My   
   > thoughts were never more clear.  "Bizarre thought" is an alien concept   
   > to me, unless it arises from misunderstanding.  I try to understand   
   > every thing I can.   
      
     "Bizarre" in highly unusual. Read LSD trip reports on Erowid. I'd call   
   many describing bizarre thoughts.   
      
   >>    I use the word "tripping" much different. I'd say if I took a low   
   >> dose of LSD and was experiencing obvious effects this was "tripping",   
   >> even if I could walk to the local store and buy a gallon of milk with   
   >> nobody noticing I was on a drug.   
   >   
   > Sure, but if you're on a good trip, you might want to exercise some   
   > caution walking around town.   
      
      Right. Hence why I mentioned a low dose while walking around town.   
   Feasible for many with LSD.   
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