XPost: alt.drugs.psychedelics, alt.drugs, alt.drugs.rfg   
   XPost: rec.drugs.psychedelic   
   From: rfgdxm@SPAMSUCKSmochamail.com   
      
   Vomit.Breath@BitchFace.com wrote:   
      
   > What the truth is, RFG has a web site that registers at the top of   
   > search engine hits.   
      
     Incorrect. I have 2 websites that are doing quite well in all the search   
   engines that count. Please quit your libel regarding my SEO skills.   
      
   > DXM is a "Kiddies" drug of abuse and a growing   
   > health issue.  ER's are seeing this problem more and more.   
      
     Actually, DAWN stats show based on ER visits DXM use has been flat for a   
   decade.   
      
   > His site   
   > has very easy to get brand and "how to" information and can be gotten   
   > within minutes.   
      
     This brand info can as easily be got be reading the label on the package.   
   As for "how to" information, William White's last version of the DXM FAQ was   
   on the Internet before I was. Old news.   
      
   > RFG hides behind freedom of speech, 1st amendment   
   > rights as to publish that info.   
      
      Hardly. If you hadn't noticed, the Internet is an international medium. I   
   can trivially put up on the Internet anything I want on servers throughout   
   the world. I know the right people in various nations who would happily host   
   my sites for free. Some have even offered to do so. And, please learn the   
   difference between "freedom of speech" and "freedom of the press". On the   
   Internet, only the latter is relevant, as I am a publisher.   
      
   > Just b/c he has items on his web site that speak of the dangers   
   > doesn't not mean the young folks that go there are going to read it,   
   > nor take heed.  It's clear they do not.  They're after the "Goods",   
   > they get it and leave.  Then they proceed to tell other kids who   
   > become misinformed.  This ultimately leads to injury and adds to the   
   > growing problem.   
      
     This is like arguing that if someone publishes about gun safety, and   
   people ignore this advice and end up dead, the person who wrote how to use   
   guns safely is responsible for those who don't.   
      
   > His sig and web has LSD and psychedelic wording all over it.  This is   
   > to entice one to believe that DXM is just like this.  Even though it   
   > is arguable by many whether it is or not a correct claim isn't the   
   > issue.  It is simply used to entice, that is the issue.  To in affect   
   > encourage the experimentation, the use of or, rather the abuse that   
   > has to occur to get to this "Special" high that he very clearly   
   > promotes and debates with everyone on this planet regardless.   
      
     Or, warn people DXM is a psychedelic like LSD, and take appropriate   
   precautions.   
      
   > Bottom-line, his web site is used primarily by kids to get the abuse   
   > info about DXM to get high.   
      
     Like Erowid does?   
      
   > He uses LSD as an enticement.   
   > Ultimately, young people are the victims, and in growing numbers.  If   
   > he was concerned about anyone who abuses DXM to get high, then he   
   > would remove all the "How To" and enticing info. He has a lot of great   
   > info about the dangers.  It is the design of the web site itself that   
   > needs to change IF he was truly intent on helping and saving lives   
   > 100%.   
      
     So you mean I need to get rid of that link to Erowid, which also has the   
   same information? If those who run Erowid ask me to, I will. Otherwise, I'll   
   just ignore you.   
      
   > My personal feeling, I think that his site in the past was nothing   
   > more than info on "how to". I've seen it evolve over a long time.  And   
   > over time he's changed it to better protect himself from law suits and   
   > to start catering to other groups that are there to help, thus the   
   > dangers of DXM abuse are ALSO there today.   
      
      Bullshit. I have always acknowledged the dangers of DXM. As for lawsuits,   
   I could not care less.   
      
   > I think that keeping the   
   > brand and "How To" only goes to show a reckless and careless attitude.   
   > And for the moral side of the house, just because he can do it and be   
   > protected from 1st amendment rights and freedom of the press simply   
   > doesn't make it all ok.   
      
      Read what I wrote above. I could not care less about US law. My sites   
   could be hosted anywhere on the planet. I have even given the passwords to   
   my domains to another I fully trust to control them if I am unable.   
      
   > I've read all the arguments that he has, I've seen the same arguments   
   > and debates by others before me.  They all end up the same way this   
   > argument has, as have the many spin-off arguments that were spawned   
   > off of this one. Only a small handful of people side with RFG or have   
   > a separate gripe against me, again, very very small numbers.  I also   
   > think that morally, and through just plain common sense and their own   
   > good judgement tend to agree with me about the facts and issues I've   
   > presented about DXM abuse among young people and how RFG's web site   
   > really is used and the promoting aspects of it all.   
   >   
   > I think to end this, we may just have to agree to disagree with each   
   > other.   
      
      I disagree with you.   
      
   > I do owe RFG and Queen an apology for my language. I am truly sorry.   
   > I started this off like an asshole with my foul language, and made the   
   > argument far worse than it needed to be and in a direction it   
   > shouldn't have taken.  I have thoroughly enjoyed the insults rendered   
   > on me.   
      
      Because you are a lame troll.   
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