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   Doug wrote:   
   > Biker Babe  would you be kind enough to send me the info on your forum???I   
   > would appreciate it.It sounds very interesting and helpful to some.   
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   > Thanks   
   > Doug   
   >   
   > P.S.  I was thinking of cutting back on my meds and see how bad the pain   
   > is.I do not think I could stand the pain without my meds after 13 years.  I   
   > heard some people take a drug vacation???   
   >   
   > email Gliss47@mailexcite.com   
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   >   
   > "BikerBabe"  wrote in message   
   > news:RnQvd.5814$2r.3699@fed1read02...   
   >   
   >>mikey wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>Hello, im trying to quit this nasty hydrocodone habit that I have.  I   
   >>>have been doing this for 2 years, and in the last year its been an   
   >>>everyday habit of 50 to 100mg.  The reason why i have all of a sudden   
   >>>decided to quit was i started feeling sharp pains in my left mid chest   
   >>>area.  I would only feel this pain if i took alot of hyrdo in the 80 to   
   >>>100 mg area.  I have no cut myself down to 50 mg a day and am going to   
   >>>do less and less each day.  I have even started to do cold water   
   >>>extraction to give my liver more of a break (if thats the problem).   
   >>>   
   >>>But i have been having problems.  On the first day of extracting all   
   >>>the APAP out of the hydro, that night I woke up cause i did not feel   
   >>>right.  I was sweating a little and proceded to take my blood pressure   
   >>>and it was up to 155/100.  My normal is 130/80 usually around.  I also   
   >>>had a physical a year or 2 ago and i do have very high cholesterol and   
   >>>tryglycorides.  I have been eating better and i have lost 25 lbs( not   
   >>>sure if thats cause of the hydro abuse though making me eat less ).   
   >>>Anyway  I was able to go back to sleep.  I pretty much guessed that   
   >>>this was because i went from taking 2500 to 3000 mg of APAP a day to 0.   
   >>>The next day I took 1500 mg of apap and i did feel better and with no   
   >>>pain in my chest.   
   >>>   
   >>>But unfortunately the next night I woke up sweating and cold (because   
   >>>im wet) and a bad headeach.  I took 10mg hydro and 325 mg of apap and i   
   >>>felt better instantly).   
   >>>   
   >>>Can anyone offer any advice on my condition?  I have been pondering   
   >>>going to the hospital if this gets any worse.  I do not want to go to   
   >>>my family doctor since i dont want them to know im a drug addict.  I   
   >>>have been able to quit hydro before (when i was doing less amouts)   
   >>>   
   >>>Im going to do 40 mg of hydro today and take a tylenol before i go to   
   >>>sleep and hopefully i should sleep better.  Thankfully as long as i   
   >>>stay below 50 mg hydro/1500 apap i havent had any left chest pains.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>I am concened am i having liver failure? causing my body to sweat to   
   >>>fight of colds since its not working?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>(posted from alt.suuport.chronic-pain)   
   >>   
   >>You are in withdrawal.  I run a forum for people who want to get off their   
   >>meds they have gotten addicted to, whether by choice or by just being on   
   >>them a long time after an illness.  There are both medical and street   
   >>addicts in the forum, so you won't feel out of place.  We are all very   
   >>similar once our bodies are addicted to opiates and we can help each   
   >>other.  You are more than welcome to check us out. Just let me know if   
   >>your email address is correct and I will send you the info you need to   
   >>become a member there. (The one I post here with is NOT valid.)  My forum   
   >>has no doctors on it.  I am not a doctor.  We are just a bunch of pain   
   >>patients and addicts who have gotten together to help each other and   
   >>support each other either thru a detox or to take our meds as directed   
   >>without crossing over the line into addictive behavior.   
   >>   
   >>I would guess you built up enough tolerance that you started into WD   
   >>(withdrawal) when you didn't do an increase in your meds and that made you   
   >>feel something was wrong.  We all build a tolerance to opiates over time   
   >>and need to adjust the mgs. we take accordingly.  If we don't, we start   
   >>having WD's.   
   >>   
   >>During WD you will feel like you have the worst case of the flu you've   
   >>ever had in your lifetime .. and then some.  It won't kill you, but you'll   
   >>feel like you want to die.  My forum has a 30+ year addict that has come   
   >>up with a recipe to make a CT (Cold Turkey) detox much easier, which a lot   
   >>of addicts prefer, since they find doing a taper impossible. Even though I   
   >>can taper, I've used it myself since I prefer to just do the week or two   
   >>of being sick to the months on end of it that you get from a taper.  It's   
   >>the difference between night and day using the recipe over doing a detox   
   >>with no help.   
   >>   
   >>Do NOT go to the hospital.  If you do, you will be put down as a drug   
   >>addict.  There is nothing they can do for you that you can't do for   
   >>yourself at home.  The last thing you want is to go on record as a drug   
   >>addict if you are also a chronic pain patient.  (Even if you aren't for   
   >>that matter.)   
   >>   
   >>As far as the Tylenol goes, you can safely take 3000 mg a day.  Some   
   >>places say 4000 mg, but that would be really pressing the high end.  The   
   >>reason it helped you feel better, is cause of the WD pain you were   
   >>feeling.   
   >>   
   >>The more opiates you take and the type you take, all factor into WD.  A CT   
   >>WD from hydro usually gives you about a week of bad symptoms .. oxy and ms   
   >>contin figure on 2 weeks. After that you will deal with the ensuing   
   >>depressing and general malaise feelings.  Each day you will feel better as   
   >>time goes on.   
   >>   
   >>The rule of thumb when doing a taper off opiates is to drop by 30% once   
   >>every week, 2 weeks, or month, depending on how quickly you adjust to the   
   >>lower dose.  It's always best to have your doctor aware of what you are   
   >>doing too, but if your doc isn't the understanding type, you will have to   
   >>go it alone.   
   >>   
   >>You didn't say you have a medical problem that you are taking the hydro   
   >>for, so I'm writing this assuming you take for pleasure and not for pain.   
   >>If you do have chronic pain, then I would question why you want to stop   
   >>taking the meds. I would then advise you to talk to your doctor and tell   
   >>him you aren't getting the relief you used to and ask him to make and   
   >>adjustment in your dosage.   
   >>   
   >>BB   
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