XPost: alt.support.chronic-pain, alt.abuse, alt.drugs.hard   
   From: Yeah@Right.Com   
      
   Benzos are EVIL!!!  I did a taper too quickly and ended up   
   with inability to sleep, sweats worse than normal, then   
   hallucinations.  The next step was seizures which I really   
   didn't feel up to doing, so I upped the dose and took the   
   taper slower.  *sigh*  I will never take them again, I like   
   living!   
      
   BB   
      
   Qarl wrote:   
   > This is really good advise. I agree with everything you said BB. The only   
   > thing I'd like to add is, Mikey, 100mg of hydro is really not that much. As   
   > BB said you're well within the APAP limit, but you're also really not very   
   > advanced into the hydro habit if you're only maxing out at 100mg. Were you   
   > taking Norcos? Anyway, yeah you'll have some really bad withdraws for a weak   
   > or 2 like BB said and it'll feel like a really bad flu. Terrible body aches.   
   > Feels like you joints are going to snap. :) But for me going cold turkey on   
   > opiates beats drawing the whole thing out for months by tapering. Benzos on   
   > the other hand... :)   
   >   
   > "BikerBabe"  wrote in message   
   > news:RnQvd.5814$2r.3699@fed1read02...   
   >   
   >>mikey wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>Hello, im trying to quit this nasty hydrocodone habit that I have.  I   
   >>>have been doing this for 2 years, and in the last year its been an   
   >>>everyday habit of 50 to 100mg.  The reason why i have all of a sudden   
   >>>decided to quit was i started feeling sharp pains in my left mid chest   
   >>>area.  I would only feel this pain if i took alot of hyrdo in the 80 to   
   >>>100 mg area.  I have no cut myself down to 50 mg a day and am going to   
   >>>do less and less each day.  I have even started to do cold water   
   >>>extraction to give my liver more of a break (if thats the problem).   
   >>>   
   >>>But i have been having problems.  On the first day of extracting all   
   >>>the APAP out of the hydro, that night I woke up cause i did not feel   
   >>>right.  I was sweating a little and proceded to take my blood pressure   
   >>>and it was up to 155/100.  My normal is 130/80 usually around.  I also   
   >>>had a physical a year or 2 ago and i do have very high cholesterol and   
   >>>tryglycorides.  I have been eating better and i have lost 25 lbs( not   
   >>>sure if thats cause of the hydro abuse though making me eat less ).   
   >>>Anyway  I was able to go back to sleep.  I pretty much guessed that   
   >>>this was because i went from taking 2500 to 3000 mg of APAP a day to 0.   
   >>>The next day I took 1500 mg of apap and i did feel better and with no   
   >>>pain in my chest.   
   >>>   
   >>>But unfortunately the next night I woke up sweating and cold (because   
   >>>im wet) and a bad headeach.  I took 10mg hydro and 325 mg of apap and i   
   >>>felt better instantly).   
   >>>   
   >>>Can anyone offer any advice on my condition?  I have been pondering   
   >>>going to the hospital if this gets any worse.  I do not want to go to   
   >>>my family doctor since i dont want them to know im a drug addict.  I   
   >>>have been able to quit hydro before (when i was doing less amouts)   
   >>>   
   >>>Im going to do 40 mg of hydro today and take a tylenol before i go to   
   >>>sleep and hopefully i should sleep better.  Thankfully as long as i   
   >>>stay below 50 mg hydro/1500 apap i havent had any left chest pains.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>I am concened am i having liver failure? causing my body to sweat to   
   >>>fight of colds since its not working?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>(posted from alt.suuport.chronic-pain)   
   >>   
   >>You are in withdrawal.  I run a forum for people who want to   
   >>get off their meds they have gotten addicted to, whether by   
   >>choice or by just being on them a long time after an   
   >>illness.  There are both medical and street addicts in the   
   >>forum, so you won't feel out of place.  We are all very   
   >>similar once our bodies are addicted to opiates and we can   
   >>help each other.  You are more than welcome to check us out.   
   >>  Just let me know if your email address is correct and I   
   >>will send you the info you need to become a member there.   
   >>(The one I post here with is NOT valid.)  My forum has no   
   >>doctors on it.  I am not a doctor.  We are just a bunch of   
   >>pain patients and addicts who have gotten together to help   
   >>each other and support each other either thru a detox or to   
   >>take our meds as directed without crossing over the line   
   >>into addictive behavior.   
   >>   
   >>I would guess you built up enough tolerance that you started   
   >>into WD (withdrawal) when you didn't do an increase in your   
   >>meds and that made you feel something was wrong.  We all   
   >>build a tolerance to opiates over time and need to adjust   
   >>the mgs. we take accordingly.  If we don't, we start having   
   >>WD's.   
   >>   
   >>During WD you will feel like you have the worst case of the   
   >>flu you've ever had in your lifetime .. and then some.  It   
   >>won't kill you, but you'll feel like you want to die.  My   
   >>forum has a 30+ year addict that has come up with a recipe   
   >>to make a CT (Cold Turkey) detox much easier, which a lot of   
   >>addicts prefer, since they find doing a taper impossible.   
   >>Even though I can taper, I've used it myself since I prefer   
   >>to just do the week or two of being sick to the months on   
   >>end of it that you get from a taper.  It's the difference   
   >>between night and day using the recipe over doing a detox   
   >>with no help.   
   >>   
   >>Do NOT go to the hospital.  If you do, you will be put down   
   >>as a drug addict.  There is nothing they can do for you that   
   >>you can't do for yourself at home.  The last thing you want   
   >>is to go on record as a drug addict if you are also a   
   >>chronic pain patient.  (Even if you aren't for that matter.)   
   >>   
   >>As far as the Tylenol goes, you can safely take 3000 mg a   
   >>day.  Some places say 4000 mg, but that would be really   
   >>pressing the high end.  The reason it helped you feel   
   >>better, is cause of the WD pain you were feeling.   
   >>   
   >>The more opiates you take and the type you take, all factor   
   >>into WD.  A CT WD from hydro usually gives you about a week   
   >>of bad symptoms .. oxy and ms contin figure on 2 weeks.   
   >>After that you will deal with the ensuing depressing and   
   >>general malaise feelings.  Each day you will feel better as   
   >>time goes on.   
   >>   
   >>The rule of thumb when doing a taper off opiates is to drop   
   >>by 30% once every week, 2 weeks, or month, depending on how   
   >>quickly you adjust to the lower dose.  It's always best to   
   >>have your doctor aware of what you are doing too, but if   
   >>your doc isn't the understanding type, you will have to go   
   >>it alone.   
   >>   
   >>You didn't say you have a medical problem that you are   
   >>taking the hydro for, so I'm writing this assuming you take   
   >>for pleasure and not for pain.  If you do have chronic pain,   
   >>then I would question why you want to stop taking the meds.   
   >>  I would then advise you to talk to your doctor and tell   
   >>him you aren't getting the relief you used to and ask him to   
   >>make and adjustment in your dosage.   
   >>   
   >>BB   
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