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   anonymouse wrote:   
      
   >   
   > Hi,   
   >   
   > instead of drug vacations I do drug rotations.   
   >   
   > most of my pain issues involve trying to get to sleep... I can manage   
   > most of the time when I'm awake and busy doing something.   
   >   
   > but laying there hurting when I'm trying to get to sleep is another matter.   
   >   
   > so I'll rotate through different meds...say first an opiate for a couple   
   > days... then a couple days using valium... then a couple days using   
   > ambien... then back to an opiate...   
   >   
   > that way I never use a med for more than 2-3 days before switching off   
   > to something unrelated for 4-6 days.   
      
   Hey Anonmymouse, I just have a question.  Have you ever tried just using   
   one med for several weeks, or even months at a time, to see if getting a   
   consistent dose of meds built up in yer system helps control at all?   
      
   Just curious.   
      
      
   >   
   > loose_cannon@surfy.net wrote:   
   >   
   >> Doug wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Biker Babe  would you be kind enough to send me the info on your   
   >>> forum???I would appreciate it.It sounds very interesting and helpful   
   >>> to some.   
   >>>   
   >>> Thanks   
   >>> Doug   
   >>>   
   >>> P.S.  I was thinking of cutting back on my meds and see how bad the   
   >>> pain is.I do not think I could stand the pain without my meds after   
   >>> 13 years.  I heard some people take a drug vacation???   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Heya Doug, everything Ive heard about drug vaca's is that they arent   
   >> helpful at doing whats expected, and thats to lower tolerance.  And   
   >> whaddya do about yer pain in the meantime?  Why suffer for something   
   >> thats never been proven to work.  As soon as ya take yer meds again,   
   >> yer dose jacks back up to its old dose.   
   >>   
   >> If drug vaca's worked, believe me, I'd take one.  I'd luv to get my   
   >> dose lower again!   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> email Gliss47@mailexcite.com   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> "BikerBabe"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:RnQvd.5814$2r.3699@fed1read02...   
   >>>   
   >>>> mikey wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Hello, im trying to quit this nasty hydrocodone habit that I have.  I   
   >>>>> have been doing this for 2 years, and in the last year its been an   
   >>>>> everyday habit of 50 to 100mg.  The reason why i have all of a sudden   
   >>>>> decided to quit was i started feeling sharp pains in my left mid chest   
   >>>>> area.  I would only feel this pain if i took alot of hyrdo in the   
   >>>>> 80 to   
   >>>>> 100 mg area.  I have no cut myself down to 50 mg a day and am going to   
   >>>>> do less and less each day.  I have even started to do cold water   
   >>>>> extraction to give my liver more of a break (if thats the problem).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But i have been having problems.  On the first day of extracting all   
   >>>>> the APAP out of the hydro, that night I woke up cause i did not feel   
   >>>>> right.  I was sweating a little and proceded to take my blood pressure   
   >>>>> and it was up to 155/100.  My normal is 130/80 usually around.  I also   
   >>>>> had a physical a year or 2 ago and i do have very high cholesterol and   
   >>>>> tryglycorides.  I have been eating better and i have lost 25 lbs( not   
   >>>>> sure if thats cause of the hydro abuse though making me eat less ).   
   >>>>> Anyway  I was able to go back to sleep.  I pretty much guessed that   
   >>>>> this was because i went from taking 2500 to 3000 mg of APAP a day   
   >>>>> to 0.   
   >>>>> The next day I took 1500 mg of apap and i did feel better and with no   
   >>>>> pain in my chest.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But unfortunately the next night I woke up sweating and cold (because   
   >>>>> im wet) and a bad headeach.  I took 10mg hydro and 325 mg of apap   
   >>>>> and i   
   >>>>> felt better instantly).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Can anyone offer any advice on my condition?  I have been pondering   
   >>>>> going to the hospital if this gets any worse.  I do not want to go to   
   >>>>> my family doctor since i dont want them to know im a drug addict.  I   
   >>>>> have been able to quit hydro before (when i was doing less amouts)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Im going to do 40 mg of hydro today and take a tylenol before i go to   
   >>>>> sleep and hopefully i should sleep better.  Thankfully as long as i   
   >>>>> stay below 50 mg hydro/1500 apap i havent had any left chest pains.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I am concened am i having liver failure? causing my body to sweat to   
   >>>>> fight of colds since its not working?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> (posted from alt.suuport.chronic-pain)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You are in withdrawal.  I run a forum for people who want to get off   
   >>>> their meds they have gotten addicted to, whether by choice or by   
   >>>> just being on them a long time after an illness.  There are both   
   >>>> medical and street addicts in the forum, so you won't feel out of   
   >>>> place.  We are all very similar once our bodies are addicted to   
   >>>> opiates and we can help each other.  You are more than welcome to   
   >>>> check us out. Just let me know if your email address is correct and   
   >>>> I will send you the info you need to become a member there. (The one   
   >>>> I post here with is NOT valid.)  My forum has no doctors on it.  I   
   >>>> am not a doctor.  We are just a bunch of pain patients and addicts   
   >>>> who have gotten together to help each other and support each other   
   >>>> either thru a detox or to take our meds as directed without crossing   
   >>>> over the line into addictive behavior.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I would guess you built up enough tolerance that you started into WD   
   >>>> (withdrawal) when you didn't do an increase in your meds and that   
   >>>> made you feel something was wrong.  We all build a tolerance to   
   >>>> opiates over time and need to adjust the mgs. we take accordingly.   
   >>>> If we don't, we start having WD's.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> During WD you will feel like you have the worst case of the flu   
   >>>> you've ever had in your lifetime .. and then some.  It won't kill   
   >>>> you, but you'll feel like you want to die.  My forum has a 30+ year   
   >>>> addict that has come up with a recipe to make a CT (Cold Turkey)   
   >>>> detox much easier, which a lot of addicts prefer, since they find   
   >>>> doing a taper impossible. Even though I can taper, I've used it   
   >>>> myself since I prefer to just do the week or two of being sick to   
   >>>> the months on end of it that you get from a taper.  It's the   
   >>>> difference between night and day using the recipe over doing a detox   
   >>>> with no help.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Do NOT go to the hospital.  If you do, you will be put down as a   
   >>>> drug addict.  There is nothing they can do for you that you can't do   
   >>>> for yourself at home.  The last thing you want is to go on record as   
   >>>> a drug addict if you are also a chronic pain patient.  (Even if you   
   >>>> aren't for that matter.)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> As far as the Tylenol goes, you can safely take 3000 mg a day.  Some   
   >>>> places say 4000 mg, but that would be really pressing the high end.   
      
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