XPost: alt.support.chronic-pain, alt.abuse, alt.drugs.hard   
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   Doug wrote:   
   > Could you send it again.I kinda messed up!!!   
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   > Thank You   
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   > "BikerBabe"  wrote in message   
   > news:NW5wd.30287$Ae.4328@fed1read05...   
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   >>You've got mail!   
   >>   
   >>BB   
   >>   
   >>Doug wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>Biker Babe  would you be kind enough to send me the info on your   
   >>>forum???I would appreciate it.It sounds very interesting and helpful to   
   >>>some.   
   >>>   
   >>>Thanks   
   >>>Doug   
   >>>   
   >>>P.S.  I was thinking of cutting back on my meds and see how bad the pain   
   >>>is.I do not think I could stand the pain without my meds after 13 years.   
   >>>I heard some people take a drug vacation???   
   >>>   
   >>>email Gliss47@mailexcite.com   
   >>>   
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   >>>   
   >>>"BikerBabe"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:RnQvd.5814$2r.3699@fed1read02...   
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   >>>   
   >>>>mikey wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Hello, im trying to quit this nasty hydrocodone habit that I have.  I   
   >>>>>have been doing this for 2 years, and in the last year its been an   
   >>>>>everyday habit of 50 to 100mg.  The reason why i have all of a sudden   
   >>>>>decided to quit was i started feeling sharp pains in my left mid chest   
   >>>>>area.  I would only feel this pain if i took alot of hyrdo in the 80 to   
   >>>>>100 mg area.  I have no cut myself down to 50 mg a day and am going to   
   >>>>>do less and less each day.  I have even started to do cold water   
   >>>>>extraction to give my liver more of a break (if thats the problem).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>But i have been having problems.  On the first day of extracting all   
   >>>>>the APAP out of the hydro, that night I woke up cause i did not feel   
   >>>>>right.  I was sweating a little and proceded to take my blood pressure   
   >>>>>and it was up to 155/100.  My normal is 130/80 usually around.  I also   
   >>>>>had a physical a year or 2 ago and i do have very high cholesterol and   
   >>>>>tryglycorides.  I have been eating better and i have lost 25 lbs( not   
   >>>>>sure if thats cause of the hydro abuse though making me eat less ).   
   >>>>>Anyway  I was able to go back to sleep.  I pretty much guessed that   
   >>>>>this was because i went from taking 2500 to 3000 mg of APAP a day to 0.   
   >>>>>The next day I took 1500 mg of apap and i did feel better and with no   
   >>>>>pain in my chest.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>But unfortunately the next night I woke up sweating and cold (because   
   >>>>>im wet) and a bad headeach.  I took 10mg hydro and 325 mg of apap and i   
   >>>>>felt better instantly).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Can anyone offer any advice on my condition?  I have been pondering   
   >>>>>going to the hospital if this gets any worse.  I do not want to go to   
   >>>>>my family doctor since i dont want them to know im a drug addict.  I   
   >>>>>have been able to quit hydro before (when i was doing less amouts)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Im going to do 40 mg of hydro today and take a tylenol before i go to   
   >>>>>sleep and hopefully i should sleep better.  Thankfully as long as i   
   >>>>>stay below 50 mg hydro/1500 apap i havent had any left chest pains.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I am concened am i having liver failure? causing my body to sweat to   
   >>>>>fight of colds since its not working?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>(posted from alt.suuport.chronic-pain)   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You are in withdrawal.  I run a forum for people who want to get off   
   >>>>their meds they have gotten addicted to, whether by choice or by just   
   >>>>being on them a long time after an illness.  There are both medical and   
   >>>>street addicts in the forum, so you won't feel out of place.  We are all   
   >>>>very similar once our bodies are addicted to opiates and we can help each   
   >>>>other.  You are more than welcome to check us out. Just let me know if   
   >>>>your email address is correct and I will send you the info you need to   
   >>>>become a member there. (The one I post here with is NOT valid.)  My forum   
   >>>>has no doctors on it.  I am not a doctor.  We are just a bunch of pain   
   >>>>patients and addicts who have gotten together to help each other and   
   >>>>support each other either thru a detox or to take our meds as directed   
   >>>>without crossing over the line into addictive behavior.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I would guess you built up enough tolerance that you started into WD   
   >>>>(withdrawal) when you didn't do an increase in your meds and that made   
   >>>>you feel something was wrong.  We all build a tolerance to opiates over   
   >>>>time and need to adjust the mgs. we take accordingly.  If we don't, we   
   >>>>start having WD's.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>During WD you will feel like you have the worst case of the flu you've   
   >>>>ever had in your lifetime .. and then some.  It won't kill you, but   
   >>>>you'll feel like you want to die.  My forum has a 30+ year addict that   
   >>>>has come up with a recipe to make a CT (Cold Turkey) detox much easier,   
   >>>>which a lot of addicts prefer, since they find doing a taper impossible.   
   >>>>Even though I can taper, I've used it myself since I prefer to just do   
   >>>>the week or two of being sick to the months on end of it that you get   
   >>>   
   >>>>from a taper.  It's the difference between night and day using the recipe   
   >>>   
   >>>>over doing a detox with no help.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Do NOT go to the hospital.  If you do, you will be put down as a drug   
   >>>>addict.  There is nothing they can do for you that you can't do for   
   >>>>yourself at home.  The last thing you want is to go on record as a drug   
   >>>>addict if you are also a chronic pain patient.  (Even if you aren't for   
   >>>>that matter.)   
   >>>>   
   >>>>As far as the Tylenol goes, you can safely take 3000 mg a day.  Some   
   >>>>places say 4000 mg, but that would be really pressing the high end.  The   
   >>>>reason it helped you feel better, is cause of the WD pain you were   
   >>>>feeling.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>The more opiates you take and the type you take, all factor into WD.  A   
   >>>>CT WD from hydro usually gives you about a week of bad symptoms .. oxy   
   >>>>and ms contin figure on 2 weeks. After that you will deal with the   
   >>>>ensuing depressing and general malaise feelings.  Each day you will feel   
   >>>>better as time goes on.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>The rule of thumb when doing a taper off opiates is to drop by 30% once   
   >>>>every week, 2 weeks, or month, depending on how quickly you adjust to the   
   >>>>lower dose.  It's always best to have your doctor aware of what you are   
   >>>>doing too, but if your doc isn't the understanding type, you will have to   
   >>>>go it alone.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You didn't say you have a medical problem that you are taking the hydro   
   >>>>for, so I'm writing this assuming you take for pleasure and not for pain.   
   >>>>If you do have chronic pain, then I would question why you want to stop   
   >>>>taking the meds. I would then advise you to talk to your doctor and tell   
   >>>>him you aren't getting the relief you used to and ask him to make and   
   >>>>adjustment in your dosage.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>BB   
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