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|    Erland Sommarskog to All    |
|    Re: Which countries has existed from 500    |
|    10 Jun 23 23:05:21    |
      From: esquel@sommarskog.se              Here are my answers to my question. To make it fair and even, I'm writing       this without having looked at the other answers, and without consulting       sources. In fact, this option is not open to me, as I'm typing this in       an airplane.              Once I'm on the ground and can read the other answers, I will followup       if there is anything of interest.              This is my list of countries that existed since 1523-06-06 without       interruption since:              Sweden, Denmark, France, Spain, Andorra. Monaco, San Marino, Switzerland,       Turkey, Russia, Iran, China, Japan, Thailand and Ethiopia.              Remarks:       Sweden - On June 6 1523, the Swedish parliament elected Gustav Vasa as       king of Sweden. This resurrected Sweden as an independent kingdom, and       marked the end of Sweden's union with Denmark and Norway. So, yes, there       was a reason that I posted this question on the day I did.              Russia - There was no Russia in 1523, but here was The Grand Duchy of       Moscow. It had long stopped being a small city state, but it was a       greedy imprialistic state that was always on the move for territories       to swallow. Ivan the Terrible rebranded the country about the 30 years       later. (Soviet Union must be considered Russia by another name.)              Turkey - I see no reason not to consider Turkey as a contiuation of the       Ottonman Empitre.              Japan - This is not as clear-cut as one may think. In 1523 Japan had       fallen into a number of smaller feudal state. But, yes, there was an       emperor, and there was a shogun, even if they were mainly figureheads.       You could compare Japan to the Holy German-Roman Empire at the time -       a loose confederation.              Austria - A prime example of why this cannot be a true quiz question.       Was there an Austria in 1523? Yes. But was it an independent statotre?       Well, there was an emperor based in Vienna. But what was the emperor       over? Nominally, he was emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, and he held       real power of Austria, Bohemia and some more territory. But can we       say that was a country called Austria? I more or less give up.              Iran, Thailand and Etiopia - Here I don't know very much about their       history. I'm somewhat sure that Iran is correct, but when it comes to       the other two, I would need to look it up to confirm.                     There are a few countries which existed in 1523 and which exist today,       but which have not existed continously during this period:              Poland - Taken off the map entirely after its third partition in       1794. Back on the map after WWI.              Hungary - The disaster in Mohacs was only three years away in 1523.       This put most of Hungary under Ottoman rule, and what was left sought       refuge under the Habsburgs.              Portugal - Part of Span 1580-1640.              Morrocco - I think Morrocco was indpendent in some form in 1532.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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