From: T@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 2020-03-16 06:27, songbird wrote:   
   > T wrote:   
   >> songbird wrote:   
   > ...   
   >>>     uh, that's really bad at math...   
   >>   
   >> No fooling. If you plant before the end of the first week   
   >> in June, you risk a freeze.  I take the risk and plant last   
   >> week in May.  Only been nailed once.   
   >>   
   >> And sometimes we get a freeze as early as the first   
   >> week in September.   
   >   
   >    that's still three months not two!  June, July,   
   > August...   
      
   Exactly.  That leave only one month for fruit bearing.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> So you really want everything to come to fruition   
   >> in 60 days.   
   >>   
   >> And it it gets too hat in the summer, you risk   
   >> things bolting.   
   >   
   >    that's a different issue.  cool weather crops   
   > v.s. those that don't mind some heat.   
   >   
   >   
   >> How farmers, whose livelyhood depends on it, put   
   >> up with the crap, is beyond me.  It must be a calling.   
   >> Maybe it is the feels of a good soil in your hands.   
   >   
   >    last year all around us all these acres of fields   
   > were planted but they did not get a harvest.  it was   
   > too much rain and most of them didn't even get into   
   > the fields to plant until too late.  yes, they could   
   > have planted other crops but they didn't.   
   >   
   >    in contrast we had a pretty good season even with   
   > all the rains, diversity in planting and adapting to   
   > conditions makes a huge difference.  when people   
   > complain that organic farming can't produce enough   
   > food to feed a lot of people i know as a fact that   
   > those claims are BS.   
      
   I hear that nonsense all the time too.  Yields from   
   organic farms are a lot higher.  One study I saw years   
   ago, a full circle farm was getting $1,400 per acre   
   whist his conventional neighbors were getting $400   
   per acre.   
      
   In The People Republic of California, virtually all   
   the wine grapes are now organically grown as the   
   yields are higher and, get this, every section of   
   their farms are producing consistent quality.  No   
   more of this the north end is sweet and the south   
   end is sour.   
      
   And the difference i taste between full circle produce   
   and meat is striking.  A guy around here that grows   
   full circle turkeys is bough out FIVE YEAR in advance!   
      
   >    most farmers i know are older and not owners of   
   > the land they abuse.  a few are marginally better   
   > than others but still often abusive.  around here a   
   > lot of fields that used to be prime topsoil are now   
   > subsoil grade and poorly drained because they have   
   > abused them so much.  when you kill off the worms   
   > and other soil community and don't plant cover   
   > crops or use reasonable rotations that is what   
   > happens.  topsoil blows away or washes away or is   
   > degraded by the abuse of fertilizers and too much   
   > plowing/disturbances.  you gotta work with a   
   > place to know it and not just abuse it.   
   >   
   >    ok, rant over.  :)   
      
   No problem.  You are ranting to the choir.  Full   
   circle farming is growing the soil.   
      
   On the bright side, those abused lands should go   
   for cheap to full circle farmers so they can heal   
   the land and make it productive again.  And   
   bring back family farming.   
      
   And get away from the bottom line on NEXT MONTHS   
   spreadsheet and look at the bottom line of a historical   
   spreadsheet.   
      
      
   >   
   >    it was pretty nice out yesterday, today might be   
   > about the same.  we'll see.  frost last night.   
   >   
   >   
   >    songbird   
   >   
      
   It is still snowing off and on.  Melts pretty quickly.   
   Hopefully we will get a good 1/2 inch of water out   
   of all this and my favorite fishing hole won't dry   
   up again   
      
   -T   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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