From: songbird@anthive.com   
      
   T wrote:   
   > On 2020-07-31 22:02, songbird wrote:   
   >> T wrote:   
   >> ...   
   >>> I was thinking of digging out the two pots, disposing   
   >>> of the contents, let the holes suffer the summer   
   >>> heat, then over winter them.  Come spring, fill   
   >>> them with peat moss.   
   >>>   
   >>> Your thoughts?   
   >>   
   >>    i'd never throw away organic material if i can   
   >> help it.   
   >   
   > I was concerned that it had some disease in it   
      
     it may have, but maybe not all plants will be   
   harmed by it.   
      
      
   >>    hollyhocks are usually not that great when   
   >> transplanted.  i suspect those pots aren't deep   
   >> enough for them.  try some elemental sulphur in   
   >> them and then plant something else next season.   
   >   
   > Indeed.   
   >   
   > Here is the thing.  I am very successful at   
   > hollyhock transplants.  It is the one thing   
   > I am good it.  Well, that and growing dandelions.   
   > That pot is the only pot I have lost transplants   
   > (3 of them) in over the last two years.   
   > I am SNEAKY!   
   >   
   > That pot has also killed four clipping of   
   > choke berries and that is how choke berries are   
   > propagated.   
      
     transplanting into full sun can be more   
   stress than they can tolerate.   
      
      
   >>    is there something else going on with those   
   >> locations?  like do they get flooded more often   
   >> or not at all compared to the others?  more light   
   >> more heat, etc.?   
   >   
   > It is just twp pots in a rows with multiple   
   > others.  The pots on either side have no issues.   
   >   
   > Over two years it have become obvious   
   > that there is something wrong with the pots   
   > and not the plants.   
   >   
   > Sometimes, if I do not get enough rocks or   
   > dig deep enough (tied of the rocks), pots   
   > won't perform.  But when that happens, leaves   
   > show signs of wilting, as it the were not   
   > watered enough.  The leaves are not stunted   
   > and strivel.   
      
     if you're that worried about it then dig it   
   all out and make the holes bigger and then   
   throw it away or burn it or bury it deeply where   
   it won't be disturbed.   
      
      
   >>    i'd use worm castings instead of peat moss.   
   >> there's just not much to peat moss and i don't   
   >> think it works well for arid climates.  around   
   >> here i can create my own leaf mould or something   
   >> that looks a lot like peat moss after it has   
   >> been buried for a few years below a few feet of   
   >> clay.   
   >   
   > I add chicken scat based fertilizer to the peat   
   > moss.  The main reason for the peat is to control   
   > the high alkalinity of the soil.   
   >   
   > Worm castings sound interesting too.  Do you have   
   > a favorite brand?  Any mixed with peat?   
      
     i make my own via buckets of worms that i keep   
   for digesting all the household food and paper   
   scraps.  it is my only fertilizer besides green   
   manure crops and burying plant debris.  i get   
   between 160-200lbs a year that gets used in the   
   gardens.  i don't bother to separate the worms   
   from the castings when i take them out to the   
   gardens as i can keep enough worms back to   
   restart the buckets for the coming year, by   
   the time the next year comes around i have   
   plenty of worms again.   
      
      
   > One of the local composters sells a quart of worm   
   > casing joy juice from 80 U$D.  I will pass.   
      
     yeah, i don't drain any liquids off the buckets   
   as that is part of the fertilizer i want to capture.   
   if you pay attention to how much wet stuff you add to   
   a bucket you won't get too much liquid.  worms are   
   actually very tolerant of water and don't mind if the   
   ground is near saturation.  as long as they can get   
   enough oxygen they can survive.   
      
      
     songbird   
      
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