From: T@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 2020-08-02 04:08, songbird wrote:   
   > T wrote:   
   >> On 2020-07-31 22:02, songbird wrote:   
   >>> T wrote:   
   >>> ...   
   >>>> I was thinking of digging out the two pots, disposing   
   >>>> of the contents, let the holes suffer the summer   
   >>>> heat, then over winter them.  Come spring, fill   
   >>>> them with peat moss.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Your thoughts?   
   >>>   
   >>>     i'd never throw away organic material if i can   
   >>> help it.   
   >>   
   >> I was concerned that it had some disease in it   
   >   
   >    it may have, but maybe not all plants will be   
   > harmed by it.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>     hollyhocks are usually not that great when   
   >>> transplanted.  i suspect those pots aren't deep   
   >>> enough for them.  try some elemental sulphur in   
   >>> them and then plant something else next season.   
   >>   
   >> Indeed.   
   >>   
   >> Here is the thing.  I am very successful at   
   >> hollyhock transplants.  It is the one thing   
   >> I am good it.  Well, that and growing dandelions.   
   >> That pot is the only pot I have lost transplants   
   >> (3 of them) in over the last two years.   
   >> I am SNEAKY!   
   >>   
   >> That pot has also killed four clipping of   
   >> choke berries and that is how choke berries are   
   >> propagated.   
   >   
   >    transplanting into full sun can be more   
   > stress than they can tolerate.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>     is there something else going on with those   
   >>> locations?  like do they get flooded more often   
   >>> or not at all compared to the others?  more light   
   >>> more heat, etc.?   
   >>   
   >> It is just twp pots in a rows with multiple   
   >> others.  The pots on either side have no issues.   
   >>   
   >> Over two years it have become obvious   
   >> that there is something wrong with the pots   
   >> and not the plants.   
   >>   
   >> Sometimes, if I do not get enough rocks or   
   >> dig deep enough (tied of the rocks), pots   
   >> won't perform.  But when that happens, leaves   
   >> show signs of wilting, as it the were not   
   >> watered enough.  The leaves are not stunted   
   >> and strivel.   
   >   
   >    if you're that worried about it then dig it   
   > all out and make the holes bigger and then   
   > throw it away or burn it or bury it deeply where   
   > it won't be disturbed.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>     i'd use worm castings instead of peat moss.   
   >>> there's just not much to peat moss and i don't   
   >>> think it works well for arid climates.  around   
   >>> here i can create my own leaf mould or something   
   >>> that looks a lot like peat moss after it has   
   >>> been buried for a few years below a few feet of   
   >>> clay.   
   >>   
   >> I add chicken scat based fertilizer to the peat   
   >> moss.  The main reason for the peat is to control   
   >> the high alkalinity of the soil.   
   >>   
   >> Worm castings sound interesting too.  Do you have   
   >> a favorite brand?  Any mixed with peat?   
   >   
   >    i make my own via buckets of worms that i keep   
   > for digesting all the household food and paper   
   > scraps.  it is my only fertilizer besides green   
   > manure crops and burying plant debris.  i get   
   > between 160-200lbs a year that gets used in the   
   > gardens.  i don't bother to separate the worms   
   > from the castings when i take them out to the   
   > gardens as i can keep enough worms back to   
   > restart the buckets for the coming year, by   
   > the time the next year comes around i have   
   > plenty of worms again.   
   >   
   >   
   >> One of the local composters sells a quart of worm   
   >> casing joy juice from 80 U$D.  I will pass.   
   >   
   >    yeah, i don't drain any liquids off the buckets   
   > as that is part of the fertilizer i want to capture.   
   > if you pay attention to how much wet stuff you add to   
   > a bucket you won't get too much liquid.  worms are   
   > actually very tolerant of water and don't mind if the   
   > ground is near saturation.  as long as they can get   
   > enough oxygen they can survive.   
   >   
   >   
   >    songbird   
   >   
      
   In the spring, when I was transplanting my plants   
   from Walley World, I noticed that when I made the   
   hole to put the transplant in, that each pot had   
   a worm in it.  Threw the worm back in the hole.   
   Things are looking up!   
      
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