On 2023-01-21, songbird  wrote:   
   > fos@sdf.org wrote:   
   > ...   
   >> i'll get much closer to being self sustaining someday, Rome wasn't   
   >> built in a day.   
      
   >   that's an interesting expression if you look at what Rome   
   > did to North Africa and also the topsoil of much of Italy   
   > and other surrounding areas...  well they basically turned   
   > a lot of area into bare rocks or desert from removing so   
   > much organic materials (to feed the citizens of Rome, etc.).   
      
   >   it can happen so gradually that people don't even notice   
   > the changes, but it can eventually add up to destruction.   
      
   thanks for the history lesson, i did not know this. am going to have to   
   train myself to use a better expression now, but great achievements are   
   not accomplished overnight so it'll take some patience. ;)   
      
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