From: Snag_one@msn.com   
      
   On 6/27/2024 5:25 AM, songbird wrote:   
   > Snag wrote:   
   > ...   
   >> hornworms ! The Sevin should take care of the former , the latter aren't   
   >> usually a big problem if I keep watch for them . I need to check my Bt   
   >> selection , I might have an organic solution for the hornworms .   
   >   
   >    i get out in the early morning and scan for them.   
   > looking for fresh droppings on the ground and then   
   > looking up tends to locate most of them and if i   
   > miss them one day i can usually find them the next.   
   > once in a while something must be eating them because   
   > after i find them and drop them on the ground cut in   
   > half they'll be gone the next time i'm out there.  no   
   > idea what it is.   
   >   
   >    last year i didn't have a single one of them that i   
   > recall.  first time in a long time.  previous year i   
   > had maybe 30.   
   >   
   >    for JB's i'm trying to train the birds to eat them   
   > by picking them off the plant and crushing their heads   
   > with my fingernails and leaving them on the ground by   
   > the plants.  either they become fertilizer or something   
   > eats them.  i never get all of them, but i grow a lot   
   > of beans and a lot of the beans seem to survive and   
   > give fresh beans or dry beans even if some of the   
   > leaves are chewed up.   
   >   
   >    with all the grass and soybean fields around here   
   > i'll never get rid of them and i sure would not put   
   > up any kind of attractant because i'd have to then   
   > deal with emptying buckets and buckets of them and   
   > having to dispose them on a regular basis.  if i had   
   > that kind of time...  it'd probably make a good   
   > fertilizer but you have to make sure they're dead as   
   > i've found out that trying to drown them even in   
   > soapy water that they can recover even after being   
   > in the water for quite some time.  i was taking them   
   > and tossing them at the end of the driveway but a   
   > bit later i noticed one day that a lot of them were   
   > crawling away (so all my efforts at picking them   
   > was pretty much just moving them to another location).   
   > so that's when i changed my method to make sure they   
   > were dead and not going to come back alive.   
   >   
   >   
   >    songbird   
   >   
      
      I'm optimistic that the nematodes got most of them while they were   
   grubs ... I also spent a lot of time in years past picking them off in   
   the early mornings . I was mostly knocking them off the plants into an   
   ice cream bucket with soapy water . Worked fairly well until late summer   
   when their numbers pretty much exploded . The traps are set up a hundred   
   feet or more from the garden so not to attract them to what I'm trying   
   to protect .   
   --   
   Snag   
     It's great to be straight !   
      
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