From: songbird@anthive.com   
      
   Snag wrote:   
   ...   
   > hornworms ! The Sevin should take care of the former , the latter aren't   
   > usually a big problem if I keep watch for them . I need to check my Bt   
   > selection , I might have an organic solution for the hornworms .   
      
     i get out in the early morning and scan for them.   
   looking for fresh droppings on the ground and then   
   looking up tends to locate most of them and if i   
   miss them one day i can usually find them the next.   
   once in a while something must be eating them because   
   after i find them and drop them on the ground cut in   
   half they'll be gone the next time i'm out there.  no   
   idea what it is.   
      
     last year i didn't have a single one of them that i   
   recall.  first time in a long time.  previous year i   
   had maybe 30.   
      
     for JB's i'm trying to train the birds to eat them   
   by picking them off the plant and crushing their heads   
   with my fingernails and leaving them on the ground by   
   the plants.  either they become fertilizer or something   
   eats them.  i never get all of them, but i grow a lot   
   of beans and a lot of the beans seem to survive and   
   give fresh beans or dry beans even if some of the   
   leaves are chewed up.   
      
     with all the grass and soybean fields around here   
   i'll never get rid of them and i sure would not put   
   up any kind of attractant because i'd have to then   
   deal with emptying buckets and buckets of them and   
   having to dispose them on a regular basis.  if i had   
   that kind of time...  it'd probably make a good   
   fertilizer but you have to make sure they're dead as   
   i've found out that trying to drown them even in   
   soapy water that they can recover even after being   
   in the water for quite some time.  i was taking them   
   and tossing them at the end of the driveway but a   
   bit later i noticed one day that a lot of them were   
   crawling away (so all my efforts at picking them   
   was pretty much just moving them to another location).   
   so that's when i changed my method to make sure they   
   were dead and not going to come back alive.   
      
      
     songbird   
      
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