From: goodsoldierschweik@invalid.com
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:49:00 -0500, "deowll" wrote:
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>"Good soldier Schweik" wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:52:39 -0500, "deowll" wrote:
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>>>
>>>"Good Soldier Schweik" wrote in message
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>>>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:54:30 -0500, "deowll" wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>"B. Goode" wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:48:36 -0500, "deowll" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Good Soldier Schweik" wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:36:49 -0500, "deowll"
>>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Good Soldier Schweik" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:52:05 +0000 (UTC), wrat@panix.com (the
>>>>>>>>>> wharf
>>>>>>>>>> rat) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In article <7jvb1jF3761kfU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>Del Cecchi wrote:
>>
>>
>> Much Snipped
>>
>>>Some years back I read an article about the dueling pistols used in the
>>>Burr-Hamilton duel. Even though Hamilton owned dueling pistols he borrowed
>>>a
>>>set to use in the duel in which he fired early and was killed. A son of
>>>Hamilton later met the same fate. The guns ended up I think in the
>>>Smithsonian. Somebody wanted to make a reproduction set and when examined
>>>internally it turned out these had adjustable triggers. That is very much
>>>a
>>>no no and since both father and son fired early it sort of looked like
>>>they
>>>might have been messing with the trigger and given themselves to light a
>>>trigger pull or some such.
>>
>> If the pistols had "set triggers", and it is very possible that they
>> did, then the pressure to fire the gun would have been adjustable,
>> usually with a small screw inside the trigger guard. It is possible to
>> adjust most of these types of triggers to less then an ounce of
>> pressure to fire. Very beneficial in a target pistol but likely not
>> the best thing in a duel.
>
>It was against the rules. The guns were supposed to be matched pairs as near
>identical as possible.
No. I have seen dueling pistols made with set triggers. made by EGG
(spelling?) a rather famous English maker.
>>
>>>Burr challenged and Bur killed a man standing flat footed with an empty
>>>gun.
>>>I can't feel any pity for Hamilton because he had been writing slander
>>>under
>>>a fake name and gotten caught. He most likely did try to kill Burr and
>>>cheated on top of it.
>>
>> But Hamilton did fire and from the reports I read say that he did not
>> deliberately fire into the ground which apparently was the proper
>> procedure if one wanted to indicate that he did not wish to kill his
>> opponent.
>>
>> From all I read it appears that Burr was not condemned for his conduct
>> during the duel at the time.
>>
>>>Bowie was fighting for his life against long odds and won. There isn't any
>>>doubt from any account who attacked whom. The only thing shocking about
>>>the
>>>fight was Bowie won and lived.
>>>
>>>Many people already had the same gun that killed Hickok. Many people
>>>already
>>>had the same gun Wyatt used. They were extremely common guns at the time.
>>>It
>>>would be hard to tell if the fights impacted sells
>>
>> Other then the "Buntline Specials" there seems no contemporary
>> publicity regarding the type of guns used in the Old West. Modern
>> legend has it that THE Buffalo Gun was a Sharps when in fact there
>> were far more single shot Remingtons sold then Sharps.
>>
>Huh? There was massive publicity! The most used shoulder gun by civilians
>was lever gun made by Winchester.
Possible true but I have never seen any contemporary publicity
regarding this. You also have to pick your period as there were
150,000 Henry "Yellow Boy" 44's built between 1867 and 1892.
Winchester built 634,000 of the 1873's between 1882-1923.
I'll bet that from the end of the civil War to 1882 Henrys
outnumbered Winchesters :-)
>
>>> but Hickok was shot in
>>>the back while seated at a table playing cards. That's not exactly the
>>>kind
>>>of thing that attracts hero worship.
>>
>>>
>>>As for as most people in the west were concerned if you wanted a hangun
>>>you
>>>bought a colt.
>>
>> Not necessarily so. Gen. Custer, for example,owned a Remington :-)
>
>Which was notable and he had to buy his own because the issue gun was a
>colt.
Yes, but it might indicate that some didn't prefer the Colt.
>
>>
>>>
>>>> Nope. I believe that my original assertion is the best explanation;
>>>> that the people who were mass producing knives and exporting to the
>>>> U.S., seized on the "duel" as an example of the "wild west" and used
>>>> it to popularize their product.
>>>>
>>>Which it did but it wouldn't have worked if Bowie had been killed in that
>>>fight would it?
>>
>> Given the wounds that Bowie sustained we should be wondering what kind
>> of supplements he was taking :-)
>>
>>
>Jackson mortally wounded a man during a duel after the guy shot him in the
>chest. The bullet broke some ribs and his breast bone and Jackson's hand
>dropped. I wouldn't be shocked if it bruised his heart. Jackson then raised
>his gun, aimed and fired. The wound that resulted killed the other man. The
>other guy was removed from the field and died without ever even learning
>he'd hit Jackson. Jackson managed to hide the fact that he was injured
>until after he and his opponent parted ways.
I've broken a couple of ribs at one time or another and I'd guess that
his hand did drop! Damn, but I squirmed around on the ground for a
while after I did it :-)
>>
>>>>
>>>> Schweik
>>>> (goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Schweik
>> (goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
Cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
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