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   goodsoldierschweik@gmail.com to sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net   
   Re: A honing question...   
   07 Jun 11 18:01:57   
   
   rOn Sun, 5 Jun 2011 22:34:18 -0600, "Sheldon"   
    wrote:   
      
   >   
   > wrote in message   
   >news:a94ku69eqkbvdhfugrjuqtk0mts4be7kpc@4ax.com...   
   >> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:16:56 -0600, "Sheldon"   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>"rod"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:acd13cbd-7a0a-4836-ab2d-22c182da868e@f15g2000pro.googlegroups.com...   
   >>>On May 30, 3:07 pm, "Sheldon"  wrote:   
   >>>> "Pringles CheezUms"  wrote in message   
   >>>>   
   >>>> news:eer3u65pl9javfuq09q39kbhue99sj1bau@4ax.com...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > I've got a question about honing.   
   >>>> > I watch a lot of cooking shows and every time you see someone hone a   
   >>>> > knife you see them running the knives on the steel with the edge   
   >>>> > first.   
   >>>> > I.e. pushing it with the edge away from you or pulling it with the   
   >>>> > edge   
   >>>> > toward you. Every single person does this, including the knife   
   >>>> > professional on the episode of Good Eats that covers it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > This seems backwards to me. If what you are doing is to get the edge   
   >>>> > back straight it seems you would need to reverse the orientation of   
   >>>> > the   
   >>>> > knife. Pull with the edge away from you and push with the edge toward   
   >>>> > you. Doing it the way you see it done would seem to me to be bending   
   >>>> > the   
   >>>> > edge down further or even doubling up the edge.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > Can someone explain why or why not do it like you see everyone else   
   >>>> > doing it?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's an interesting question. I would assume, and we all know what that   
   >>>> means, when stropping, which is usually done on leather or fabric, we do   
   >>>> pull the blade across the surface, like when you strop a razor or even a   
   >>>> knife. However, when using steel, ceramics or stone we always push the   
   >>>> blade away from us. So, I'm not so sure it's what we are doing but the   
   >>>> material we use to do it that determines a pull or a push.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Also, while the softness of leather or cloth or even mild abrasives can   
   >>>> put   
   >>>> a very keen edge on a razor for shaving, that same edge is not required   
   >>>> of   
   >>>> a   
   >>>> kitchen knife and would not last very long.   
   >>>   
   >>>***And just when you think you've seen stupid leave it to Shelly to   
   >>>come along and put his own size 12 boot up his very own arse and not   
   >>>stopping until he reaches the back of his teeth! Brilliant Mate!   
   >>>   
   >>>Rockin' Rod Shaftenauer   
   >>>YeeeeeeeeeHawwwww   
   >>>   
   >>>I said "assume." That should give me some leeway.  And I think there's is   
   >>>some merit to my answer.  If not, tell me why.  When you remove even the   
   >>>slightest amount of material from the edge you push as if cutting.  When   
   >>>you   
   >>>strop you pull the blade against the material. A steel is probably   
   >>>removing   
   >>>a minute amount of material as it straightens the edge.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> The trouble with you people is you are getting all confused about   
   >> terms.   
   >>   
   >> When you hone a knife you use a hone - a fine abrasive, usually, flat   
   >> stone like device.   
   >>   
   >> When you Steel a knife you use a steel, a long, sometimes abrasive or   
   >> grooved, length of steel.   
   >>   
   >> When you strop a knife you use a strip of leather, or other material,   
   >> that is charged with a very fine abrasive.   
   >>   
   >> You don't hone with a steel nor do you strop with a hone.   
   >>   
   >All well and good, but nobody has answered the original poster's question.   
   >   
   Try http://www.videojug.com/film/sharpening-a-knife-with-a-steel for a   
   demonstration and explanation. In stunning color and vibrant sound.   
      
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