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   Smart journalists do not put their heads in the mouths of lions   
   they have been tormenting.   
      
   Turkish officials have audio and video evidence that shows   
   missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was tortured and killed   
   inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, the BBC has been told.   
      
   Mr Khashoggi, a critic of the Saudi government, has not been   
   seen since he entered the building on 2 October.   
      
   Turkish intelligence had "documented evidence" of the murder, a   
   source close to the investigation said.   
      
   Saudi Arabia denies the allegations. It says the journalist left   
   the building.   
      
   Jamal Khashoggi's disappearance and reported death have prompted   
   international outrage and dented business confidence in Saudi   
   Arabia.   
      
   What do the recordings reveal?   
   The latest reports suggest an assault and a struggle took place   
   in the consulate.   
      
   A Turkish security source has confirmed to BBC Arabic the   
   existence of an audio and a video recording. What is not clear   
   is if anyone other than Turkish officials has seen or heard them.   
      
   One source is cited by the Washington Post saying men can be   
   heard beating Mr Khashoggi; it adds that the recordings show he   
   was killed and dismembered.   
      
   "You can hear his voice and the voices of the men speaking   
   Arabic," a separate source told the Post. "You can hear how he   
   was interrogated, tortured and then murdered". Mr Khashoggi is a   
   contributing columnist for the newspaper.   
      
   Earlier this week leading columnist Kemal Ozturk, considered   
   close to the Turkish government, alleged there was a video of   
   the moment Jamal Khashoggi was killed.   
      
   What we know about Saudi journalist's disappearance   
   Saudi ties with West at risk over Khashoggi   
   The journalist who vanished into a consulate   
      
   Turkish TV has already broadcast CCTV footage of the moment Mr   
   Khashoggi walked into the consulate for an appointment at which   
   he was due to receive papers for his forthcoming marriage to   
   Turkish fiancée Hatice Cengiz.   
      
   Separately, a video has emerged of men described as Saudi   
   intelligence officers entering and leaving Turkey.   
      
   A 15-strong team has been identified by Turkish media who are   
   described as involved in Mr Khashoggi's disappearance. The BBC   
   has been told that one was Maher Mutreb, an intelligence colonel   
   based in London, and another was thought to be a forensics   
   specialist.   
      
   What happens now?   
   Turkey's official line is that Mr Khashoggi is missing but that   
   it knows "for sure" he has been killed.   
      
   However, the government has agreed to a joint investigation with   
   the Saudis, and a Saudi delegation arrived in Turkey on Friday   
   to take part in talks expected over the weekend.   
      
   Their arrival came a day after a senior Saudi royal figure,   
   Prince Khaled al-Faisal, was said to have briefly visited Turkey   
   amid signs that the Saudi monarchy was seeking an urgent   
   solution to the diplomatic crisis between the two countries.   
      
   Mr Khashoggi's disappearance threatens the reputation of the new   
   Saudi Crown Prince, Mohamed bin Salman, and his country's   
   relationships across the world, the BBC's Turkey correspondent   
   Mark Lowen reports.   
      
   Saudi UK envoy 'concerned' over Khashoggi   
   Turkish press trail Khashoggi's last steps   
   Missing Saudi writer gets blank column   
   Why Khashoggi case alarms Saudi activists   
      
   By Jane Kinninmont, Middle East expert, The Elders Foundation   
      
   Jamal Khashoggi's disappearance and alleged murder has sent a   
   chill through writers and activists, in Saudi Arabia and more   
   broadly across the Middle East.   
      
   They ask: If this could happen to someone as well known and well   
   connected as Jamal Khashoggi, a US resident and Washington Post   
   writer, what else could happen to the less well-known?   
      
   Mr Khashoggi did not position himself as a dissident. A former   
   adviser to two Saudi princes, he criticised some aspects of   
   Saudi policy, like the war in Yemen and the lack of free speech,   
   while praising others, like the social reforms of new Crown   
   Prince Mohamed bin Salman.   
      
   He argued for reform rather than regime change - which is a very   
   widespread stance among Saudis. There are many people there who   
   seek a greater voice in how to improve their society without   
   being enemies of the state.   
      
   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45838471   
      
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