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   How Long Does It Take to Convict a Murde   
   17 Apr 25 22:57:03   
   
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   Back in the summer of 2017 a shocking murder took place in Stockton,   
   California. A woman named Angi Terlouw was stabbed 21 times and her body   
   was found stuffed in a trash bin. The next day, police arrested her   
   boyfriend, Daniel Winkler.   
      
   According to the Stockton Police Department, officers received a report   
   about 9:45 a.m. Sunday of a possible dead body inside a trash can in the   
   9000 block of Don Boriga Way.   
      
   When officers arrived, they discovered a woman’s body that had been   
   “wrapped up,” police said. The victim, whose identity hasn’t been   
   released, was stabbed to death, authorities said.   
      
   Detectives later learned the woman was dating Winkler, police said.   
      
   The two weren't just dating, they had two children together. The oldest, a   
   five year old boy, witnessed the murder.   
      
   Robert Himelblau, supervising deputy district attorney of the homicide   
   unit, said outside court Tuesday that it is believed a child witnessed the   
   incident. Himelblau would not say how the child is connected to the victim   
   or suspect.   
      
   He said while the D.A. has a fair amount of evidence, the case’s   
   difficulty will be in having to ask relatives to talk about their dead   
   loved one and added that it’s “horrible” and “gut-wrenching” to have   
   children involved as witnesses.   
      
   Angi's large family knew that Winkler had two prior convictions and has   
   served time in prison. They also knew hew was a controlling person with a   
   temper. Angi's siblings say she talked about leaving him several time but   
   always backed out. On the Saturday she was murdered she called her sister   
   and told her she was serious about leaving this time. They planned to   
   arrange it the following week. But later that night she and Winkler got in   
   another fight.   
      
   She was stabbed in the shower 21 times — twice in the chest, 12 times in   
   the stomach and five times in the face and neck, the knife slicing through   
   her larynx. A wound to her right wrist exposed the bone, and her left palm   
   was slashed. She had cuts and bruises from the top of her head to her   
   toes.   
      
   The couple’s 5-year-old son said he heard his mom scream and saw his   
   father stabbing her, an investigator testified during a 2021 preliminary   
   hearing. The boy said his dad threw his mom’s body out a window and later   
   that night confessed at his paternal grandfather’s home, saying, “I killed   
   Angi,” according to a hearing transcript.   
      
   The investigator also recounted that the boy said his father “choked his   
   mother” four days before her death, demonstrating how his dad put his   
   hands around his mom’s throat and said, “You’re going to die tonight.”   
      
   Incredibly, despite evidence including an eyewitness and a confession,   
   there still hasn't been a trial of Daniel Winkler. This case has dragged   
   on for nearly 8 years now thanks in part to Winkler repeatedly claiming he   
   is insane and therefore can't be held criminally responsible for the   
   crime.   
      
   Winkler, who pleaded not guilty, sits in county jail, his charges pending   
   and his parental rights intact after repeated delays, many of which stem   
   from claims of delusions and other symptoms of mental illness that judges   
   have twice determined he was faking or exaggerating.   
      
   The couple’s son — who told police he watched his father stab his mother —   
   is now 13. His sister is 11. They are in their eighth year as wards of the   
   court, and though they are being raised by their mother’s family, their   
   lives are in flux and under a judge’s jurisdiction until the case is   
   resolved.   
      
   Part of this delay is due to manipulation by Winkler. One psychologist who   
   claimed he had a "delusional disorder" in 2018 examined him again in 2020   
   and concluded he was faking or exaggerating symptoms. Then, after a trial   
   date was finally set for 2024, jury selection was canceled because of a   
   third competency exam.   
      
   But the problem in California isn't limited to this one case. Long delays   
   are far too common, despite a California law passed in 2008 which   
   guarantees victims the right to a speedy trial.   
      
   The long road to resolution in Angi’s killing exemplifies the failure by   
   California’s elected officials and legal community to address a justice   
   system too often plagued by unreasonable delays, legal experts said. As   
   cases like Winkler’s drag on for years, the toll on victims’ families   
   mounts with each postponement, nonproductive hearing or legal maneuver by   
   the prosecution or defense...   
      
   Across the state, about 30% of felony cases remain unresolved after 12   
   months, according to a Judicial Branch review of the 2024 fiscal year —   
   although 12 counties, including San Francisco, did not provide data...   
      
   Last year, San Francisco prosecutors convicted defendants in five felony   
   cases — four homicides and a sexual assault — that took at least seven   
   years. One case lasted 13. Numerous appeals and a mistrial caused by a   
   hung jury contributed to these delays, officials said. But there are many   
   ways justice can slow.   
      
   The problem with the 2008 law is that there's no way to enforce it so   
   judges routinely just ignore it and delays continue to happen.   
      
   The current judge handling this case has set a trial date for May, but   
   even if Winkler is found guilty there will need to be a second trial to   
   determine whether he is not guilty by reason of insanity. Maybe, just   
   maybe, California can finally wrap this up just before 8 years have passed   
   since the murder. It's going to be close.   
      
   https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2025/04/14/how-long-does-it-take-to-convict-a-   
   murderer-in-california-n3801792   
      
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