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   Message 102,386 of 103,360   
   Rachel to Willie   
   Re: Question about Biograph (Mr. Tambour   
   12 Oct 22 16:10:21   
   
   From: roach4994@gmail.com   
      
   On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:33:45 PM UTC-7, Willie wrote:   
   > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 6:19:52 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:    
   > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:09:16 PM UTC-7, Willie wrote:    
   > > > I've always associated Mr. Tambourine Man with Bruce Langhorne. Heylin's   
   "Double Life" has this, though, about Dylan's trip in 1964 with Victor   
   Maymudes, Paul Clayton, and "scribe" Pete Karman that stopped in New Orlans   
   for Mardis Gras:    
   > > > "Sure enough, he rolled into his room in the wee small hours with the   
   germ of an idea for a song about a musical muse, a Pied Piper figure wielding   
   a tambourine and offering the singer a trip on his 'magic swirlin' ship'   
   (Dylan's version of Rimbaud'   
   s le bateau ivre - perhaps Arthur's most fabled illumination), a genesis he   
   finally acknowledged in the 1985 Biograph notes."    
   > > >    
   > > > I went to my copy of Biograph, but it has no notes. Each of the three   
   CDs has a two-page insert in the CD case that has the album cover on the first   
   page, and the CD track listing on the last page, but the middle two pages are   
   blank. Does any one    
   of you have Biograph? If so, could you check and see if your copy has notes,   
   not just blank pages? (And if your copy has notes, do they say anything about   
   that line and Rimbaud?)    
   > > >    
   > > > I'm curious about Heylin's claim. I'd thought about the "magic swirling   
   ship" being a reference to Drunken Boat, but I hadn't considered that the   
   snippet is "your magic swirling ship," meaning that the song is addressing   
   Rimbaud, and that one could    
   argue that Rimbaud is the tambourine man (even if Langhorne did play on the   
   song and was famous for playing a tambourine).    
   > > sorry, i copied my biograph, and pilfered the unused booklet, so no notes,   
   but what is drunken boat? where is that from?    
   > >    
   > > cuz our ole archnemesis aj was transcribing the lyrics to dignity and he   
   wrote drunken boat, and i wrote him to say it was jerkin' boat (that's what i   
   thought, at least).   
   > Hi Rachel!    
   > Drunken Boat has some lines that remind me of yours:    
   > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/55036/the-drunken-boat   
      
   i can't read the whole thing....but to me, it seems reminiscent of will, but   
   more fleshed out.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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