From: wolverine01@charter.net   
      
   On 11/21/2024 10:08 AM, George.Anthony wrote:   
   > bfh  wrote:   
   >> sticks wrote:   
      
      
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   >>> I find this an interesting analysis.  Look at it this way.  One side   
   >>> uses the laws of physics and believes there is no free lunch.   
   >>> Everything we see and are aware of existing can be shown to have an   
   >>> origin.  From explaining where they keyboard we type on is made, to   
   >>> how our Earth and the other planets came into existence in our galaxy,   
   >>> to how stars formed, to how hydrogen and helium compressed from   
   >>> gravitational forces, and everything else all the way back to the big   
   >>> bang.  This group of people simply want to know where that energy,   
   >>> matter and space time got there.  That is following the science.   
   >>   
   >> Where was the energy and the stuff before it banged?   
   >   
   >   
   > If I may join in here, that is a question I have. That and where was the   
   > energy before the energy before the alleged big bang.  And where did God   
   > come from and what was there before God. I am from the school that nothing   
   > comes from nothing,  yet here we are.   
      
   Hope you had a nice trip, George.   
      
   I had a surgery yesterday and was feeling a little too good (if'n ya   
   know what I mean) to answer Bill, and plan on doing so today.  but first   
   I thought I'd give my opinion on your questions above.   
      
   Where did the stuff come from is how I like to begin my thinking, but   
   probably the last thing I need answered.  For me, it is a scientifically   
   unanswerable question and what you have to decide is whether or not you   
   think it had a beginning, or just always has been.  If you think it has   
   always been, you can just move on with no further analysis necessary.   
   If like me, you think it did have a beginning (intelligently designed)   
   somehow, you then would consider what could possibly do that.  My path   
   is to show different evidence that also points toward an information   
   rich intelligence being more likely the cause of certain things, and   
   then add them up and weigh the pros and cons on each side of the debate.   
      
   Meaning, I might have an answer personally to your second question of   
   where then did God come from, but I am not ready to give an answer to it   
   yet.  More information is available and can be helpful.  My goal is not   
   to try and proselytize for anything in a religious manner, though it is   
   hard to escape the inference if intelligent design gains strength.  Who   
   or what someone might thing that designer might be I want to leave up to   
   the individual.  My goal is to show the science saying much of   
   naturalism is simply impossible, and contrary to general belief is not   
   proven in any manner shape or form.   
      
   I will say there is a path to answering your question, and that path   
   includes these scientific and metaphysical questions and discoveries.   
   Like I said earlier, I am just saddened so few even ask the question   
   anymore.   
      
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